It Begins: Journalists start admitting Trump-Russia conspiracy was a fabricated lie

[artichoke]

This whole invented scandal is a classic case of political jiu-jitsu. When your opponent is psychotically deranged with hyperventilating misinformed hate beyond reason and incapable being strategic, just let them fall over each other hurling any and every accusation they can at you, and laugh as they fall on their face and annihilate their own credibility. The best way to defeat an idiot is to let him speak. And I would like to thank McCain-Feingold for delivering the left into the hands of 501c extremist groups, so the consequently increasingly unhinged left could be so further brainwashed and blinded to the flaws in their own BS. I would also like to thank George Soros and the other handful of socialist billionaires who violently shoved the left so far off the cliff of hysterical ultra-partisanship that no one on that side can perform even the most basic adult analysis of facts and evidence.

You, sirs, have made our job effortless and entertaining.

 

[Jade Dragon]

So Arminius is hiding his links, and being disingenuous again.

 

[artichoke]

So Arminius is hiding his links, and being disingenuous again.

So Jade Dragon is crying about some imaginary dirty trick of providing links with facts that liberals don't like again. The links are clickable, and are in no way misrepresented or hidden, oh petty, butthurt snowflake.

Next subject change please.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

It should be really obvious that I was wording it in my own way.

Oh yes, that was really obvious!


THIS IS WHAT ISIKOFF SAID:

Michael Isikoff, the chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo News, said Saturday ... that "Steele was clearly onto something" in his probe into the campaign's Russian connection but evidence has not surfaced to support some of his specific assertions.

Steele was correct to suspect "that there was a major Kremlin effort to interfere in our elections, that they were trying to help Trump's campaign, and that there were multiple contacts between various Russian figures close to the government and various people in the Trump campaign," Isikoff said.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/18/steele-dossier-michael-isikoff/2347833002/


THIS IS WHAT YOU CLAIMED HE SAID:

Yahoo News’ Michael Isikoff ... has reversed course and started acknowledging that the left's projection of its own disloyalty and collusion with foreign powers against this country's interests ... has been exhaustively investigated, that there is zero evidence of anyone but Democrats colluding with Russia or rigging elections, and that all the key pillars of this astonishingly dishonest scam are "likely false." He won't be the last to be forced to admit that Democrats invented the entire thing.


So, to rephrase my question: WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU?

Is that really obvious enough?

 

[Darth Omar]

Oh yes, that was really obvious!


THIS IS WHAT ISIKOFF SAID:

Michael Isikoff, the chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo News, said Saturday ... that "Steele was clearly onto something" in his probe into the campaign's Russian connection but evidence has not surfaced to support some of his specific assertions.

Steele was correct to suspect "that there was a major Kremlin effort to interfere in our elections, that they were trying to help Trump's campaign, and that there were multiple contacts between various Russian figures close to the government and various people in the Trump campaign," Isikoff said.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/18/steele-dossier-michael-isikoff/2347833002/


THIS IS WHAT YOU CLAIMED HE SAID:

Yahoo News’ Michael Isikoff ... has reversed course and started acknowledging that the left's projection of its own disloyalty and collusion with foreign powers against this country's interests ... has been exhaustively investigated, that there is zero evidence of anyone but Democrats colluding with Russia or rigging elections, and that all the key pillars of this astonishingly dishonest scam are "likely false." He won't be the last to be forced to admit that Democrats invented the entire thing.


So, to rephrase my question: WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU?

Is that really obvious enough?

Well, there’s an abundance of evidence that democrats were colluding with Russians before the election and nothing but hearsay and an unverified document supporting the claim the Trump campaign was colluding with them.

Or did I miss something lol?

 

[Ross Dolan]

He has no other mode.

You are one sick motherfucker, Arminius.

Best to put your sorry ass on IGNORE right now.

 

[Althea]

As far as I know most of the raw intelligence has been cross verified by European intelligence sources. They were watching Trump for years because they were following Russian money laundering in NY, Hamburg and London.

Why not wait until its over. I would be very surprised if Trump isn't a criminal since he has always surrounded himself with criminals and otherwise shady characters.

Washington Times...might as well be Breitbart. I stopped reading after this lie

Mr. Isikoff[FONT=&quot] is best friends with Fusion GPS co-founder [/FONT]Glenn Simpson[FONT=&quot], who hired [/FONT]Mr. Steele[FONT=&quot] in May and June 2016 with money funneled through a law firm from the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. [/FONT]Mr. Isikoff[FONT=&quot] was one of a handful of mainstream journalists who met with [/FONT]Mr. Steele[FONT=&quot] in Washington as arranged by [/FONT]Mr. Simpson[FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

 

[Ross Dolan]

Claim: Elvis is camped out on the dark side of the Moon.

Unverifiable. Even though it’s not a false statement it can’t be proven or disproven. Lefties have been played by the Russians.

If it is unverifiable...you CANNOT determine if it is false or true.

Stay away from logic, Darth. You have absolutely no skill with it at all.

Your comment "Even though it's not a false statement..." should have given you a clue that there was something wrong with what you were blathering.

 

[Darth Omar]

If it is unverifiable...you CANNOT determine if it is false or true.

Stay away from logic, Darth. You have absolutely no skill with it at all.

Your comment "Even though it's not a false statement..." should have given you a clue that there was something wrong with what you were blathering.

Right, the claim is not a false statement because it can’t be verified lol. It’s neither true nor false. Are your reading glasses on Frankie?

Tell your logic-challenged buddies to stop claiming the Dossier is true.

 

[domer76]

Yahoo News’ Michael Isikoff (formerly of Newsweek and NBC News) has reversed course and started acknowledging that the left's projection of its own disloyalty and collusion with foreign powers against this country's interests, on vivid display in the Trump-Russia hoax, has been exhaustively investigated, that there is zero evidence of anyone but Democrats colluding with Russia or rigging elections, and that all the key pillars of this astonishingly dishonest scam are "likely false." He won't be the last to be forced to admit that Democrats invented the entire thing, just like they did with Roy Moore.

Dossier fails the test of time; Trump-Russia collusion claims now called 'likely false'



See also:

Woodward: No Evidence Of Trump-Russia Collusion, I Searched For Two Years

Dossier's 10 core collusion accusations remain unverified 20 months later

Laughable articles. “No public evidence. Hilarious!. Most of Mueller’s stuff is not public. Too many other distortions to cover.

You and Hewitt assume Woodward has all the resources at his disposal that Mueller does. More laughs.

The other article is almost a year old.

Keep floundering, punk. It’s amusing.

 

[Darth Omar]

Claim: Trump paid Russian hookers to pee on the bed.

Unless someone has the video: unverifiable.

The trick is to load the Dossier with some insignificant but verifiable facts but leave it unverifiable on its significant claims.

Feed it to a compliant media and, bingo, you have yourself a Russian conspiracy—set up by the Russians themselves. I’m sure Putin gets a good belly-laugh out of it.

A whole bunch of people have been had, Frankie.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Right, the claim is not a false statement because it can’t be verified lol. It’s neither true nor false. Are your reading glasses on Frankie?

Tell your logic-challenged buddies to stop claiming the Dossier is true.

Wow...you really are out of your depth here, Darth.

Here is your statement:

Claim: Elvis is camped out on the dark side of the Moon.

Unverifiable. Even though it’s not a false statement it can’t be proven or disproven. Lefties have been played by the Russians.

In your second sentence you are saying that the claim "Elvis is camped out on the dark (sic) side of the moon"...IS NOT FALSE.

You do not know if it is false or not. (By the way, you probably meant far side of the moon. Both sides are, at times, the dark side. Even a moron should know that.)

You could have written:

Unverifiable. Whether the statement is true OR false...it cannot be proved or disproved.

STAY AWAY FROM LOGIC. YOU ARE NOT GOOD AT IT. IN FACT, YOU ARE TERRIBLE AT IT.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Claim: Trump paid Russian hookers to do pee on the bed.

Unless someone has the video: unverifiable.

The trick is to load the Dossier with some insignificant but verifiable facts but leave it unverifiable on its significant claims.

Feed it to a compliant media and, bingo, you have yourself a Russian conspiracy—set up by the Russians themselves. I’m sure Putin gets a good belly-laugh out of it.

A whole bunch of people have been had, Frankie.

YES...SOMETHING ON WHICH WE CAN AGREE.

The idiots who are Trump supporters HAVE been had big time...and there are a bunch of them. 33% seem to have been faked out of their jocks by the abomination, Donald Trump.

I knew we could agree on something this year, but I never for a second thought it would happen on day 1.

Happy New Year, Darth.

 

[domer76]

And this is coming from Isikoff...the guy who wrote Russian Roulette, the book that tried to prop up the accusations against President Trump. Now here we sit, watching him completely reverse course and admit that it was all a lie.

^This idiot has no concept of the word “some”.

 

[domer76]

Hint: Don't put a lying criminal in charge of an endless political witch hunt to overthrow a duly-elected president for getting in the way of Democrat power and people will stop pointing it out.

New Facts Indicate Mueller Destroyed Evidence, Obstructed Justice

 

[domer76]

It's bigger than that. A blatantly fraudulent, DNC-funded partisan stunt being at the base of this thing means that illegal warrants were secured and criminal spying on a presidential campaign during a major national election was conducted. Serious crimes have been committed that make Watergate look like jaywalking. People need to end up in jail for it.

People are going to jail. They belong to Trump’s inner circle.

Tick tock!

 

[Althea]

You are one sick motherfucker, Arminius.

Best to put your sorry ass on IGNORE right now.

What took you so long? I wish nobody had quoted the OP

 

[Darth Omar]

Wow...you really are out of your depth here, Darth.

Here is your statement:



In your second sentence you are saying that the claim "Elvis is camped out on the dark (sic) side of the moon"...IS NOT FALSE.

You do not know if it is false or not. (By the way, you probably meant far side of the moon. Both sides are, at times, the dark side. Even a moron should know that.)

You could have written:

Unverifiable. Whether the statement is true OR false...it cannot be proved or disproved.

STAY AWAY FROM LOGIC. YOU ARE NOT GOOD AT IT. IN FACT, YOU ARE TERRIBLE AT IT.

Frankie, don’t mess with my Pink Floyd idium lol. I was trying to make a point.

And my point is valid: the claim can’t be said to be true OR false—if it’s unverifiable. You’re struggling to make a point where there isn’t one.

In a word, the claim is worthless.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Frankie, don’t mess with my Pink Floyd idium lol. I was trying to make a point.

Okay. We'll treat is as just another brick head in the wall!

And my point is valid: the claim can’t be said to be true OR false—if it’s unverifiable. You’re struggling to make a point where there isn’t one.

In a word, the claim is worthless.

The claim, as you now say, IS worthless, since it cannot be verified at the moment.

BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU SAID...AND I AM NOT STRUGGLING TO MAKE A POINT WHERE THERE ISN'T ONE.

You said, "Even though it’s not a false statement..."

YOU DO NOT KNOW IT IS "NOT A FALSE STATEMENT." In fact, my guess is that it IS a false statement, although it cannot be verified.

If you want to think or guess "Elvis is camped out on the dark (sic) side of the moon" is NOT A FALSE STATEMENT...okay with me.

But you made the assertion that it IS NOT A FALSE STATEMENT.

Your wording in that post was all fucked up.

Just acknowledge it.

You will not turn into a pumpkin by acknowledging you made a mistake.

 

[Darth Omar]

Okay. We'll treat is as just another brick head in the wall!



The claim, as you now say, IS worthless, since it cannot be verified at the moment.

BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU SAID...AND I AM NOT STRUGGLING TO MAKE A POINT WHERE THERE ISN'T ONE.

You said, "Even though it’s not a false statement..."

YOU DO NOT KNOW IT IS "NOT A FALSE STATEMENT." In fact, my guess is that it IS a false statement, although it cannot be verified.

If you want to think or guess "Elvis is camped out on the dark (sic) side of the moon" is NOT A FALSE STATEMENT...okay with me.

But you made the assertion that it IS NOT A FALSE STATEMENT.

Your wording in that post was all fucked up.

Just acknowledge it.

You will not turn into a pumpkin by acknowledging you made a mistake.

Frankie, the error would be if I said ‘the claim is false’ but I said no such thing.

Here is Isikoff in his own words:

“When you actually get into the details of the Steele dossier, the specific allegations, we have not seen the evidence to support them, and in fact, there is good grounds to think that some of the more sensational allegations will never be proven and are likely false.”

Straight-up, he is saying the specific *allegations* in the Dossier lack evidence and that the sensational claims will never be proven and are likely false [unverifiable].

Or in a word, worthless.

No one cares if the Dossier nailed the weather in Moscow on a specific date. It’s the ALLEGATIONS that matter, Frankie.

The real question is how a worthless document found its way into the FISA court. Answer me that one.