It Begins: Journalists start admitting Trump-Russia conspiracy was a fabricated lie

The FISA court should decide that...not some asshole like you in an Internet forum.

Counterintelligence Versus Law Enforcement
As a practical matter, judge advocates must always remember that counterintelligence within the United States is distinct
from domestic law enforcement. Counterintelligence and law
enforcement are both necessary to protect society and to preserve democracy, but the similarity between the two ends there.
Counterintelligence and law enforcement have different goals:
providing for national security versus deterring and punishing
criminal activity. As a result of the contrasting goals, counterintelligence and law enforcement employ different methods.14
They also differ in the manner of disclosure to the subject of the
surveillance. The subject of a law enforcement investigation
eventually learns of or knows about any searches and surveillance, even if the collection of the evidence does not result in
prosecution.15 The “subject” of counterintelligence collection
techniques will not learn of searches and surveillance conducted, except in those exceptional instances where the Attorney General later approves the use of the collected information
as criminal evidence.16


https://fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/sojudge.pdf
 
Poor noise and Darth, they keep ignoring there was other evidence besides just the Steele dossier that was presented to the FISA court.

National security experts who have reviewed the document say that even the parts that aren't blacked out contain more than enough information to provide a judge reason to rule that the FBI had probable cause to believe that Page was an agent of Russia.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna893666
 
hey Frank. why don't you stop spewing posts and READ and THINK for once for some edification.
FBI is specifically regulated under Woods Procedure for FISC

Hey, Noise...why don't you start thinking instead of just shooting off your mouth.

If you want to think YOUR opinion of the warrant and the evidence is of greater value than the opinions of the FISA judges, the FBI, and the DoJ...

...fine.

I support your right to be as fucking stupid as you want to be.

I am on your side on this.
 
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Poor noise and Darth, they keep ignoring there was other evidence besides just the Steele dossier that was presented to the FISA court.

National security experts who have reviewed the document say that even the parts that aren't blacked out contain more than enough information to provide a judge reason to rule that the FBI had probable cause to believe that Page was an agent of Russia.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna893666

what kina crap is this? it completely ignores Woods.

Andrew McCarthy, a former prosecutor and Trump backer, has argued that the dossier amounted to unverified hearsay, and that the FBI misrepresented that it had verified the information. But Figliuzzi and other former officials say the use of hearsay is common in warrant applications, because the FBI wants to tell the judge as much as possible about what is known about the target. No judge, however, would grant a surveillance warrant based entirely on hearsay, Figliuzzi said.

Andy McCabe: "there would be no FISA without Steele"
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FBI Had Only ‘Medium Confidence’ In Steele Dossier
https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/07/fbi-steele-medium-confidence/
“After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele’s reporting as only minimally corroborated,” Republicans asserted in the memo released on Feb. 2.

The FBI had only “medium confidence” in former British spy Christopher Steele and deemed his infamous anti-Trump dossier to be “minimally corroborated,” according to newly released government documents.

The assessment is made in a document known as a Human Source Validation Report. The FBI published the report to its online records vault earlier this week.
“After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele’s reporting as only minimally corroborated,” Republicans asserted in the memo released on Feb. 2.
 
They didn’t need to verify the pee tape, there were many more elements to the dossier that were verified.

The laws for the FISA were followed, Nunes and all his flunkies are chasing a dead end.
Worse. Nunes TRIED (and failed) to create a dead end.
 
Poor noise and Darth, they keep ignoring there was other evidence besides just the Steele dossier that was presented to the FISA court.

National security experts who have reviewed the document say that even the parts that aren't blacked out contain more than enough information to provide a judge reason to rule that the FBI had probable cause to believe that Page was an agent of Russia.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna893666
They also try to pretend that the dossier was used to get the initial FISA warrant. Original predates the dossier by quite some time.
 
Carter Page was an FBI Under-Cover Employee in 2013, and remained the primary FBI witness through May of 2016 throughout the case.

If Carter Page was working as a UCE (FBI undercover employee), responsible for the bust of a high level Russian agent in 2013 -and remained a UCE- throughout the court case UP TO May of 2016, how is it possible that on October 21st 2016 Carter Page is put under a FISA Title 1 surveillance warrant as an alleged Russian agent?

Conclusion: He wasn’t. The DOJ National Security Division and the FBI Counterintelligence Division, knew he wasn’t. The DOJ-NSD and FBI flat-out LIED

The same John P Carlin who, together with the FBI counterintelligence unit, conscripted Carter Page as an FBI Under-Cover Employee, gains a guilty plea, then turns around and six months later accuses Page of being a Russian Spy.

Why? Likely because the DOJ-NSD and FBI CoIntel needed to find a legal way to spy on the Trump campaign. The 2016 FISA Title 1 surveillance of former FBI employee Carter Page became that legal way. [“The Insurance Policy”]
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...n-october-2016-fbi-told-fisa-court-hes-a-spy/
 
It came out of his “inter-agency taskforce” at Langley.

As Trump won primary after primary in 2016, a rattled John Brennan started claiming to colleagues at the CIA that Estonia’s intelligence agency had alerted him to an intercepted phone call suggesting Putin was pouring money into the Trump campaign. The tip was bogus, but Brennan bit on it with opportunistic relish.

Out of Brennan’s alarmist chatter about the bogus tip came an extraordinary leak to the BBC: that Brennan had used it, along with later half-baked tips from British intelligence, as the justification to form a multi-agency spy operation (given the Orwellian designation of an “inter-agency taskforce”) on the Trump campaign, which he was running right out of CIA headquarters.

The CIA was furious about the leak, but never denied the BBC’s story. To Congress earlier this year, Brennan acknowledged the existence of the group, but cast his role in it as the mere conduit of tips about Trump-Russia collusion: “It was well beyond my mandate as director of CIA to follow on any of those leads that involved U.S. persons. But I made sure that anything that was involving U.S. persons, including anything involving the individuals involved in the Trump campaign, was shared with the bureau.”

But if his role had truly been passive, the “inter-agency taskforce” wouldn’t have been meeting at CIA headquarters. By keeping its discussions at Langley, Brennan could keep his finger wedged in the pie. Both before and after the FBI’s official probe began in late July 2016, Brennan was bringing together into the same room at CIA headquarters a cast of Trump haters across the Obama administration whose activities he could direct — from Peter Strzok, the FBI liaison to Brennan, to the doltish Jim Clapper, Brennan’s errand boy, to an assortment of Brennan’s buddies at the Treasury Department, Justice Department, and White House.

The bogus tip from Estonia led the group into its first cock-up: sending FBI agents to sniff around the computer server connected to Trump Tower. After that effort flopped, Brennan’s group had to go back to the drawing board (on the electronic intelligence front, it had already hatched plans for national security letters and FISA warrants). Someone in the group must have proposed blasting a swampy old CIA source and Hillary supporter, Stefan Halper, into the Trump campaign orbit to see if he could catch a couple of minor campaign volunteers out in collusion.

Brennan’s Langley group had access to Halper’s file and sized him up as the perfect embed: a Republican-oriented foreign policy scholar who could plausibly interact with Trump officials while serving as a nexus between the CIA and Brennan’s friends in British intelligence. Halper’s ties to Richard Dearlove, a former head of British intelligence, are well known, and Halper knows Alexander Downer, the pub-crawling Aussie diplomat, through a mutual association with Cambridge University.

That Halper came out of the brainstorming of Brennan’s group is clear from the fact that his first known meeting with Carter Page preceded the formal opening of the FBI’s probe. The Washington Post hinted at the role of Brennan’s group in hatching Halper:

Many questions about the informant’s role in the Russia investigation remain unanswered. It is unclear how he first became involved in the case, the extent of the information he provided and the actions he took to obtain intelligence for the FBI. It is also unknown whether his July 2016 interaction with [Carter] Page was brokered by the FBI or another intelligence agency [italics added].

The FBI commonly uses sources and informants to gather evidence and its regulations allow for use of informants even before a formal investigation has been opened. In many law enforcement investigations, the use of sources and informants precedes more invasive techniques such as electronic surveillance.


A veteran of the intelligence community tells TAS that Brennan’s CIA was full of Hillary supporters, some of whom decorated their desks with her campaign paraphernalia. Brennan, whom the press noted would walk the halls of the CIA in an LGBT rainbow lanyard, encouraged this open political atmosphere. While Brennan knew his spying operation on the Trump campaign was an “exceptionally, exceptionally sensitive” matter (as reported by journalists David Corn and Michael Isikoff), he assumed its machinations would never come to light.

The members of Brennan’s working group at Langley “were just a bunch of out-of-control idiots,” says a former high-ranking CIA official to TAS. He finds it flabbergasting that Brennan would bring CIA officials and FBI officials into the same room to cook up schemes to send a spy into the Trump campaign’s ranks. One of those schemes involved money (Halper paid George Papadopoulos $3,000 for a phony research paper as a way of luring him into a London meeting); another involved sex (Halper’s assistant, with a name out of a bad spy novel, Azra Turk, tried to coax information from Papadopoulos at flirty bar outings, according to the Daily Caller’s Chuck Ross).

Like Brennan, Halper didn’t bother to hide his support for Hillary even as he conducted this infiltration. He told the press that he feared a Trump presidency, as it could harm the “special relationship” between the United States and Great Britain.
That rationale must have figured into Alexander Downer’s motivation for working with Brennan’s Langley group too. Downer traveled in the same elitist circles as Christopher Steele, Halper, and John Kerry. It appears he sent word of his boozy evening with Papadopoulos back to Brennan’s group through these circles — either through Hillary partisans at the State Department or through Clinton Foundation channels, for whom he had worked as a kind of bag man.

Halper had come up empty, so Brennan’s group at Langley went with Downer’s tale, as feeble as it was. But it at least had the advantage of coming from a “diplomat.” Yet if Congressman Nunes is right and the originating document for the FBI probe doesn’t even contain a reference to an official intelligence product passed to Brennan from the Australian government, Downer’s hearsay must have been exceedingly flaky, so flaky no one would want to be on the record treating it as “evidence” for something as momentous as a probe into a presidential campaign.

According to press accounts, Downer’s bumptiousness caused a diplomatic row of sorts between the two countries. Who resolved it? John Kerry? Susan Rice? Or was this another case of Obama leading from behind — behind a CIA director briefing him daily on “Russian interference” while running an anti-Trump spy ring out of Langley.
https://spectator.org/john-brennans-plot-to-infiltrate-the-trump-campaign/
John Brennan’s Plot to Infiltrate the Trump Campaign
 
^gross violation of Woods Procedure and FISA requirements.

Comey is saying Steele is a reliable source,so the FISA was OK.. But as usual Comey is a LIAR.
Simply having a reliable source is NOT sufficient for the FISA ex parte court
Care to point out which part of the Woods procedure you think supports your idiotic claim?

It's quite funny how one RW fool makes a claim and all the other RW lemmings jump in to repeat it.

Have you ever read the Wood's Procedure?
 
Care to point out which part of the Woods procedure you think supports your idiotic claim?

It's quite funny how one RW fool makes a claim and all the other RW lemmings jump in to repeat it.

Have you ever read the Wood's Procedure?
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...ses-question-did-fbi-violate-woods-procedures

Presentation of any such unverified material to the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to justify a wiretap would appear to violate crucial procedural rules, called “Woods Procedures,” designed to protect U.S. citizens.

Yet Comey allegedly signed three of the FISA applications on behalf of the FBI. Deputy Director Andrew McCabe reportedly signed one and former Attorney General Sally Yates, then-Acting Deputy Attorney General Dana Boente and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein each reportedly signed one or more.

Michael Woods, the FBI official who drafted the rules as head of the Office of General Counsel’s National Security Law Unit. They were instituted in April 2001 to “ensure accuracy with regard to … the facts supporting probable cause” after recurring instances, presumably inadvertent, in which the FBI had presented inaccurate information to the FISA court.

Prior to Woods Procedures, “ncorrect information was repeated in subsequent and related FISA packages,” the FBI told Congress in August 2003. “By signing and swearing to the declaration, the headquarters agent is attesting to knowledge of what is contained in the declaration.”

The FBI’s complex, multi-layered review is designed for the very purpose of preventing unverified information from ever reaching the court. It starts with the FBI field offices.

According to former FBI agent Asha Rangappa, who wrote of the process last year in JustSecurity.org, the completed FISA application requires approval through the FBI chain of command “including a Supervisor, the Chief Division Counsel (the highest lawyer within that FBI field office), and finally, the Special Agent in Charge of the field office, before making its way to FBI Headquarters to get approval by (at least) the Unit-level Supervisor there.”

At FBI headquarters, an “action memorandum” is prepared with additional facts culled by analytical personnel assigned to espionage allegations involving certain foreign powers.

Next, it goes to the Justice Department “where attorneys from the National Security Division comb through the application to verify all the assertions made in it,” wrote Rangappa. “DOJ verifies the accuracy of every fact stated in the application.
If anything looks unsubstantiated, the application is sent back to the FBI to provide additional evidentiary support – this game of bureaucratic chutes and ladders continues until DOJ is satisfied that the facts in the FISA application can both be corroborated and meet the legal standards for the court. After getting sign-off from a senior DOJ official
here’s a reason Woods Procedures exist in the first place. They aren’t arcane rules that could have been overlooked or misunderstood by the high-ranking and seasoned professionals working under the Obama and Trump administrations who touched the four Carter Page wiretap applications and renewals. And unless they’ve secretly been lifted or amended, Woods Procedures aren’t discretionary.

In the past, when the FBI has presented inaccuracies to the FISA court, it’s been viewed so seriously that it’s drawn the attention of the Department of Justice Office of Professional Responsibility, which investigates Justice Department attorneys accused of misconduct or crimes in their professional functions.
 

Gosh, you found someone who wrote an opinion piece that hasn't read the Wood's Procedure. Good for you. I love the quotes he uses as they are clearly taken out of context to support his inaccurate contention.

Now why don't you tell us which part of the Wood's procedure was violated?

Much of the Wood's procedure is dedicated to making sure all information concerning a target that the FBI has in other departments is included. It requires a search of certain databases to verify any documents held by the FBI are included and correct. For instance the FBI would have been aware of Carter Page being an FBI informant and following the Wood's procedure would have made sure that was included. In reality, all the headquarters supervisor is signing off on is that the Wood's procedure was followed.
 
Gosh, you found someone who wrote an opinion piece that hasn't read the Wood's Procedure. Good for you. I love the quotes he uses as they are clearly taken out of context to support his inaccurate contention.

Now why don't you tell us which part of the Wood's procedure was violated?

Much of the Wood's procedure is dedicated to making sure all information concerning a target that the FBI has in other departments is included. It requires a search of certain databases to verify any documents held by the FBI are included and correct. For instance the FBI would have been aware of Carter Page being an FBI informant and following the Wood's procedure would have made sure that was included. In reality, all the headquarters supervisor is signing off on is that the Wood's procedure was followed.
did ther FISA mention Carter was a UC ?
that's certainly part of it but it's also layers of verification -which Comey himself said wasn't done
since Steele was only
The FBI had only “medium confidence” in former British spy Christopher Steele and deemed his infamous anti-Trump dossier to be “minimally corroborated,” according to newly released government documents.

The assessment is made in a document known as a Human Source Validation Report. The FBI published the report to its online records vault earlier this week.
 
Likely because the DOJ-NSD and FBI CoIntel needed to find a legal way to spy on the Trump campaign. The 2016 FISA Title 1 surveillance of former FBI employee Carter Page became that legal way. [“The Insurance Policy”]
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...n-october-2016-fbi-told-fisa-court-hes-a-spy/

Carter Page left the Trump campaign in September 2016:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carter-page-steps-down-from-campaign

So why did the FBI put Page under surveillance in October 2016? If their purpose was to spy on Trump's campaign, why didn't they pick someone who was still active in it?
 
Carter Page left the Trump campaign in September 2016:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carter-page-steps-down-from-campaign

So why did the FBI put Page under surveillance in October 2016? If their purpose was to spy on Trump's campaign, why didn't they pick someone who was still active in it?
to get access to Pages contacts, but also from the article:
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The entire FISA Title I surveillance authority over Carter Page was cover, most likely retroactive cover, for the DOJ and FBI conducting surveillance on the Trump campaign.

The DOJ-National Security Division and FBI Counterintelligence Unit didn’t care about Page because to them he was a useful tool. It wasn’t Page they needed, per se’, they just needed someone, anyone, who had contact with the Trump campaign that they could apply the label “foreign agent” upon. The DOJ/FBI just needed someone they could position to gain the FISA “Title I” surveillance approval that would retroactively make all prior campaign surveillance legal. Who Carter Page was simply checked the right boxes.

Page wasn’t a “plant”, or a “participant”, he was a useful body upon which they could attach a label to justify their surveillance and monitoring. Nothing more.
 
Page wasn’t a “plant”, or a “participant”, he was a useful body upon which they could attach a label to justify their surveillance and monitoring. Nothing more.

You're saying the FBI DIDN'T monitor Page under the FISA warrant? So who did they monitor? Who was their "surveillance and monitoring" directed at?

This sounds like a whole new chapter of the Deep State Story to me! :)
 
You're saying the FBI DIDN'T monitor Page under the FISA warrant? So who did they monitor? Who was their "surveillance and monitoring" directed at?

This sounds like a whole new chapter of the Deep State Story to me! :)

I'm not saying that at all -and that wa the author's comments -not mine. It's clear he was being surveilled -you question was why he was picked out for surveillance.

what you should be asking is if he was already gone from the campaign -why the surveillance at all?

this (below) is from the FISA

In those applications, FBI agents said they had amassed evidence that “the Russian Government’s efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. Presidential election were being coordinated with Page and perhaps other individuals associated with” Trump’s campaign.

also this "relationship" ( again not back up by verifyable facts but simply by contacts with Russian GRU/FSB)
But the records also show the FBI harbored broader suspicions – and broader evidence – about Page’s possible ties to the Russian government. In applying for permission to wiretap him, investigators wrote that Page “has relationships with Russian Government officials, including Russian intelligence officers.”

why would Page work UC with the FBI and then a couple months later be working as a foreign agent?
 
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