Why do you fail to acknowledge that the violence wasn't even there until Bush destabilized the region?
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Why do you fail to acknowledge that the violence wasn't even there until Bush destabilized the region?
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The Almighty
It states they were done over two decades. You see, as far as I know, there were no reports given by Saddam as to what the crime rates were. There are no records as far as I know. The reason these atrocities are in our media now is because they CAN be reported.
That is why I asked you to show the number of murders/rapes etc.... prior to 2003. To demonstrate that there is no data. (that I am aware of anyway).
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Better than You
Why do you fail to acknowledge that violence was there? Just because the Bill Maher didn't care about it at the time doesn't mean it didn't exist.
They get remarried in Temple after conversion.
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The Almighty
Wasn't it? Then how do you explain the 400k deaths in the mass graves alone? Do you have data that suggests the violence wasn't there or are you just guessing because none of us got those updates from Saddam/Iraq prior to the war?
it doesn't work that way.
The burden of proof is on you. You're the one stating that the country wasn't stable and the invasion was inevitable. From all reports that I've seen in 2003 genocides weren't taking place and there were no WMDs which made Saddam a threat.
But it does. They can still get sealed later. If a couple converts as they enter the church it can work the same. They have to jump through some hoops, but they can and do get there eventually.
actually it does i was thinking about another ceremony. im an idiot. carry on.
though most diehards want conversation beforehand
though most diehards want conversation beforehand
True, but usually it goes the other way.
I explain them like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_Campaign
The Anfal campaign began in 1986 and lasted until 1989, and was headed by Ali Hassan al-Majid (a cousin of then Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein from the Saddam's hometown of Tikrit). The Anfal campaign included the use of ground offensives, aerial bombing, systematic destruction of settlements, mass deportation, concentration camps, firing squads, and chemical warfare, which earned al-Majid the nickname of "Chemical Ali".
Time for your proof.
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The Almighty
Then I am asking YOU to show me the reports that you have seen that say that. I am saying very directly that I have seen no reports either way. So if you have seen reports that contradict me, then provide them.
So does the mormon know you're cheating on her?
He broke it off. Catch up!
Once again. You're the one CLAIMING Iraq was unstable prior to the invasion. Prior the invasion as far as I know they had a stable secular society that was essentially al queada free. Now they are lucky if htey have electricity.
But don't think too hard about it. I understand. You don't have any because there is none and infact most humanitary agencies conclude that life for most Iraqis was infact better under Saddam than it is now.
yeah but he said, "semi" ex girlfriend.
well it's semi because we always seem to be getting back together. but im not cheating on her, and yes, she knows Im dating other people.
I had no idea you were so wh orish Grind.
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The Almighty
Again, show the evidence that there was not violence or instability. Perhaps you can show a clip from M Moores movie where the Iraqis were simply drinking tea and flying kites.
Side note...
http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html
53 confirmed sites.
Yet you expect us to believe that all 400k were prior to even the first gulf war. Yeah, no murders/rapes or anything like the ones in your article since then right?
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
That is all violent crime data from the United States. I am sure you will show Iraqs at any moment that shows no murders like the ones in your article occured under that benevolent leader Saddam.