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Cypress said:
Okay, so after ten thousand posts, you still find yourself
incapable of plausibly identify the basic source and origin of the system of moral awareness you grew up with.

Dodging and tap dancing around the question is pretty revealing.
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Why do you think both Mason and Jack want to believe that human beings are imbued with a moral compass that is compassionate and loving as opposed to "programmed to survive"?
 
evince said:
religion Is a belief


Not an organized church
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Disagreed. There are beliefs and there are religions which are simply people with the same beliefs.

A person doesn't need a church to have beliefs, but if they belong to a religion, there are rules for that religion.

For example, how could a Satanic cocksucker like PmP be a Christian based on his total abandonment of Christian values? He can't. Sure, he can say he believes in Jesus, but his actions are totally contrary to the Christian religion therefore, he's not a Christian.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Why do you think both Mason and Jack want to believe that human beings are imbued with a moral compass that is compassionate and loving as opposed to "programmed to survive"?
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Well, if they are relying on a natural law argument (i.e., human beings are inherently imbued with a sense of moral clarity) then that is a theological argument itself, going back to the Medieval Christian scholars.

Natural law is not an atheist derivation.

So Jack will have to retreat and te-think his strategy. Because he is unwittingly advancing a theological argument.
 
BidenPresident said:
She did not advocate universal healthcare.
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Like most Democrats, Hillary espoused the standard Euro socialist views on both healthcare and guns. She was a standard bearer for the Nanny State and crade-to-grave government care of all people because she believes government always knows better than the unwashed masses.

You don't have to answer but are you under 50? 40?

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/
Hillary Clinton has led and will continue to lead the fight to expand health care access for every American—even when it means standing up to special interests. When insurance companies spent millions to stop her efforts to reform health care in the ’90s, she refused to give up. Instead, she worked across the aisle to help pass the Children’s Health Insurance Program. Today, it covers 8 million kids. She has never given up on the fight for universal coverage.
 
Cypress said:
Well, if they are relying on a natural law argument (i.e., human beings are inherently imbued with a sense of moral clarity) then that is a theological argument itself, going back to the Medieval Christian scholars.

Natural law is not an atheist derivation.

So Jack will have to retreat and te-think his strategy. Because he is unwittingly advancing a theological argument.
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The fact that both are probably bipolar might be a factor. Both are stating that we are each imbued with a sense of right and wrong which is their way of justifying their mental states.

What better excuse than "God made me do it" if caught doing something wrong?

The difference between a liar and an insane person is that the insane person believes their false beliefs such as "God talked to them".
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Sure, I know about Galileo. What does that have to do with ancient religion and science?

Do you know what Stonehenge is and who used it? Who built it?

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Dutch: "Sure, I know about Galileo. What does that have to do with ancient religion and science? "
Jack: Do I really need to spell it out for you?
 
Cypress said:
Okay, so after ten thousand posts, you still find yourself
incapable of plausibly identify the basic source and origin of the system of moral awareness you grew up with.

Dodging and tap dancing around the question is pretty revealing.
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:) I've given you my 2 cents on the topic. If anybody is 'dodging and tap dancing' it's you.
In your brain, the Asians, the Africans, and everybody else born before the New Testament was stated was immoral and unethical and had no code of honor to live by.
 
Jack said:
Dutch: "Sure, I know about Galileo. What does that have to do with ancient religion and science? "
Jack: Do I really need to spell it out for you?
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If you can, but since you have habit of evading answering questions, I doubt you are able to do so.

How long have you known you are bipolar, Jack? You're in your late 60s now, aren't you?
 
PoliTalker said:
A completely amoral society is destined to self-destruct.

There must be coordination for mutual benefit in order for a society to exist.

Therefore, society generates morality.

Religion is not required.
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We are a pack animal at heart


Mutually aided survival

The loner had a very low level of survival and reproduction

We NEED each other


Which creates a moral code based on survival


Those that survived to reproduce and populate were those with a better natural propensity to feel compassion for others


That requires a higher brain function

And ability to over ride fright or flight


To think of others first

The survival of the pack over the individuals survival


To work in tandem with other requires higher brain function also


Hence mankind’s brains grew

Those with better survival and reproduction rates had higher brain function


A genetic preference for individuals with higher brain function was inseparable from compassion for others

We are compassionate because we were smart

To be human is to be compassionate


Those with aberrations of the brain that make them in compassionate are flawed humans


It may seem harsh but it is just true



We are born with morals as a species


Most people are mostly good


A few are like saints


And a few are complete rat bastards


Humanity explained
 
Jack said:
:) I've given you my 2 cents on the topic. If anybody is 'dodging and tap dancing' it's you.
In your brain, the Asians, the Africans, and everybody else born before the New Testament was stated was immoral and unethical and had no code of honor to live by.
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True. Odd that some believe that Jesus literally invented the world.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Disagreed. There are beliefs and there are religions which are simply people with the same beliefs.

A person doesn't need a church to have beliefs, but if they belong to a religion, there are rules for that religion.

For example, how could a Satanic cocksucker like PmP be a Christian based on his total abandonment of Christian values? He can't. Sure, he can say he believes in Jesus, but his actions are totally contrary to the Christian religion therefore, he's not a Christian.
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion



Essential Meaning of religion
1 : the belief in a god or in a group of gods
Many people turn to religion for comfort in a time of crisis.
2 : an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods
There are many religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism.
Shinto is a religion that is unique to Japan.
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3 informal : an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group
Hockey is a religion in Canada.
Politics are a religion to him.
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Full Definition of religion
1a : the state of a religious
a nun in her 20th year of religion
b(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The fact that both are probably bipolar might be a factor. Both are stating that we are each imbued with a sense of right and wrong which is their way of justifying their mental states.

What better excuse than "God made me do it" if caught doing something wrong?

The difference between a liar and an insane person is that the insane person believes their false beliefs such as "God talked to them".
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Natural law is a thoroughly Christian philosophy which borrows heavily from neo-Platonism.

The idea is that humans are spiritual animals, imbued with souls that are able to comprehend a lucid moral clarity if it is cultivated through reflection and piety.

Natural law was classic Christian theological school of thought held by christian scholars in the high Middle Ages.

I am surprised anyone unwittingly leaped to the conclusion that invoking natural law would somehow undermine Christianity - since it was christians themselves who invented natural law!
 
A one man religion is still a religion


It’s what you believe


When you organize it


It forces people to adapt what they believe to others


You end up believing things that are not in your soul

All for the sake of the powers of numbers



We need to stop doing that
 
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