Dutch Uncle
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Yet, when the Israelis take over that land and make it fertile, the Palestinians want it back. LOL
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Yet, when the Israelis take over that land and make it fertile, the Palestinians want it back. LOL
So until you read my post, you spent your entire life believing the 27 books of the New Testament were conveniently handed down from God into the hands of humankind.
You never realized that you were actually submitting to the authority of the Church Fathers.
Kamala Trump
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so you pick and choose the bible verses you believe?
me too.
but my kingdom not of this earth is what makes it a spiritual journey and not an actual earthly empire.
satan is the king of the earth. it always will be so. the lesson is to see past the delusion.
snap out of the matrix, neo.
you're the one.
Matt Dillon
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so you pick and choose the bible verses you believe?
me too.
but my kingdom not of this earth is what makes it a spiritual journey and not an actual earthly empire.
satan is the king of the earth. it always will be so. the lesson is to see past the delusion.
snap out of the matrix, neo.
you're the one.
You're reading the bible in vernacular English, stripping it of historical context and meaning, and seeing it through the educational filter of a 21st century high school dropout.
A kingdom not of this world could have meant something entirely different in Greek, and in a first century Palestinian Jewish context. It might be a metaphysical reference rather than a physical reference. The fact that early Christians, including Paul believed in a physical bodily resurrection indicates they thought the eternal holy kingdom would be here on Earth.
The concept of immaterial souls departing the body and being whisked up to a transcendant realm above is straight out of Plato and the interpretations of the Church Fathers.
This is where you really need biblical scholars trained in Greek and Hebrew, and able to read ancient literature with an intelligence informed by knowledge of ancient history
Geeko Sportivo
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Geeko Sportivo
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I think the thing that set him apart from some of the obvious scam artists was he didn't use props like the fake fainting, and the Blind suddenly being able to see after a prayer, the cripples starting to jump hoops and etc.
Dolla was all preacher man and he gave pretty good sermans that were actually interesting- and he seemed very sincere and didn't seem fake like the likes of Benny Hinn and so many others!
Kamala Trump
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You need to review history. I suggest the YouTube video, Palestine 1920.
Dutch Uncle
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Why? Will it change the current dynamics 100 years later? Would it stop Iran from supplying weapons and training to both Hamas and Hezbollah? Would it bring back all the dead babies slaughtered on October 7th?
It never would have happened if there was an equatable solution in the first place.
Dutch Uncle
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Blame the British and the French for fucking it all up after 1916.
Or blame the Ottomans for joining the wrong side in WWI.
I blame everyone involved in stealing the land from those who lived there. They lived in peace before the colonizers interfered.Blame the British and the French for fucking it all up after 1916.
Or blame the Ottomans for joining the wrong side in WWI.
Dutch Uncle
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The history of mankind is written in human blood regardless of the cultures and skin tones of the residents.
Small populations and large geographical distances were the only time peace existed for various cultures. Once a culture grew large enough to expand into another culture, there was conflict.
If you recall, the Moors expanding across North Africa and into Spain along to the gates of Byzantium are examples of "peace in the Middle East" less than 700 years after Jesus.
Dutch Uncle
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Then, of course, there's this: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-diaspora
Ancient Jewish History: The Diaspora
The Jewish state comes to an end in 70 AD, when the Romans begin to actively drive Jews from the home they had lived in for over a millennium. But the Jewish Diaspora ("diaspora" ="dispersion, scattering") had begun long before the Romans had even dreamed of Judaea. When the Assyrians conquered Israel in 722, the Hebrew inhabitants were scattered all over the Middle East; these early victims of the dispersion disappeared utterly from the pages of history. However, when Nebuchadnezzar deported the Judaeans in 597 and 586 BC, he allowed them to remain in a unified community in Babylon. Another group of Judaeans fled to Egypt, where they settled in the Nile delta. So from 597 onwards, there were three distinct groups of Hebrews: a group in Babylon and other parts of the Middle East, a group in Judaea, and another group in Egypt. Thus, 597 is considered the beginning date of the Jewish Diaspora. While Cyrus the Persian allowed the Judaeans to return to their homeland in 538 BC, most chose to remain in Babylon. A large number of Jews in Egypt became mercenaries in Upper Egypt on an island called the Elephantine. All of these Jews retained their religion, identity, and social customs; both under the Persians and the Greeks, they were allowed to run their lives under their own laws. Some converted to other religions; still others combined the Yahweh cult with local cults; but the majority clung to the Hebraic religion and its new-found core document, the Torah.
In 63 BC, Judaea became a protectorate of Rome. Coming under the administration of a governor, Judaea was allowed a king; the governor's business was to regulate trade and maximize tax revenue. While the Jews despised the Greeks, the Romans were a nightmare. Governorships were bought at high prices; the governors would attempt to squeeze as much revenue as possible from their regions and pocket as much as they could. Even with a Jewish king, the Judaeans revolted in 70 AD, a desperate revolt that ended tragically. In 73 AD, the last of the revolutionaries were holed up in a mountain fort called Masada; the Romans had besieged the fort for two years, and the 1,000 men, women, and children inside were beginning to starve. In desperation, the Jewish revolutionaries killed themselves rather than surrender to the Romans. The Romans then destroyed Jerusalem, annexed Judaea as a Roman province, and systematically drove the Jews from Palestine. After 73 AD, Hebrew history would only be the history of the Diaspora as the Jews and their world view spread over Africa, Asia, and Europe.
Taichiliberal
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Naa-unnh, I disagree. You listen VERY carefully to his "sermons", and it ranks right up there with the late Rev. Ike, a lot of platitudes and generalized "life lessons"....but at least Ike was up front about his schtick. Dolla is just full of it, case in point: https://www.blackenterprise.com/pastor-creflo-dollar-misled-congregants-about-tithing/
Taichiliberal
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
True, all those nasty realities like science, math, medicine, documented history keep getting in the way of a book allegedly written by prophets channeling the Divine Creator.
No idea what you're talking about. The Bible is quite fine with those things.
Your first sentence says it all. Either you're truly ignorant or willfully ignorant. Bottom line, neither offers a rational argument.
Taichiliberal
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Are you playing dumb or is this genuine? Here's a homework assignment: do some research into medical treatments (immunizations) for new borns against disease. Then look into the science of water treatment, Pasteur, the FDA, how we are communicating here, etc.
Science determines age in various ways to have concrete proof at the end of experiments. Faith only requires belief, gullibility, fanaticism. Big Difference.
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serendipity
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Not that you are capable of defining how that would come about, eh Phanny.
^^ Yet another 'Christian' who doesn't understand his own religion.
JOHN 18:36 meaning...."Jesus did not say that His dominion and authority did not include this world or that His realm was a transcendent spiritual Neverland. The kingdom of Jesus does not advance by worldly means, but Jesus still reigns over the kingdoms of this world."
--> R.C. Sproul Protestant Theologian and Presbyterian minister