Question For The Vax And Mask Reluctant: "Why?"

Nordberg said:
So dump those kid vaccines . Back to polio, measles, chickenpox, and all those other diseases should be the choice of rightys.
You are stubbornly stupid. Masks work and it has been explained how they do many times. You do not believe it, because you do not want to. The science is there.
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I am not opposed to vaccines, I am not opposed to requiring vaccines for kids to enter school. But the covid situation is different. The government is telling us that vaccinated people can still get covid and can spread covid, they tell us that distancing works, masks work, etc. but at the same time tell us that we must show proof of vax or negative test to eat in NY or Cal, or NOLA. None of it makes sense. They did not tell us those conflicting things about polio, measles etc. somehow those vaccines work and the covid ones do not.

What I posted about mask filtering and covid cell size are accurate. There is also not a airproof seal around the edges of the masks that most wear. Look it up, you might learn something and then maybe, just maybe, you could stop your foolish uneducated rants.
 
redfish said:
I am not opposed to vaccines, I am not opposed to requiring vaccines for kids to enter school. But the covid situation is different. The government is telling us that vaccinated people can still get covid and can spread covid, they tell us that distancing works, masks work, etc. but at the same time tell us that we must show proof of vax or negative test to eat in NY or Cal, or NOLA. None of it makes sense. They did not tell us those conflicting things about polio, measles etc. somehow those vaccines work and the covid ones do not.

What I posted about mask filtering and covid cell size are accurate. There is also not a airproof seal around the edges of the masks that most wear. Look it up, you might learn something and then maybe, just maybe, you could stop your foolish uneducated rants.
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Vaccines are not required for kids to attend school.
You are right. The covid19 situation is different. You are starting to see the Church of Covid. It is based on two paradoxes.

They admit that their own mask doesn't work every time they demand that you put on a mask. (paradox M)
They admit that their own vaccination doesn't work ever time they demand that you get vaccinated. (paradox V)

It is irrational. They are trying to argue both sides of these two paradoxes. That's why it doesn't make sense.
 
PoliTalker said:
Why do you choose to ignore health care givers pleas to get vaccinated and take proper steps to avoid transmission?

It makes no sense.

What you are doing defies logic.

What kind of American are you that you do not want to protect American health?

How did you get to be against humanity and on the side of the enemy?

Why do you refuse to listen to health care workers?

They have given us their all. They have worked tirelessly for over a year. Long hours. They have missed their families and special occasions. They have missed birthdays and visits with relatives. They have missed sleep and recreation. They have missed the chance to simply relax. We all take that for granted.

Many times they have chosen to sleep and live elsewhere over concerns that they might infect their families. Some of them shower and change at work before even coming home. Some of them have to wear a mask in their own home to avoid infecting vulnerable relatives.

They are doing their very best. Every day they strive to help others. They are fighting this disease with everything they have. It is arduous to have to suit up in PPE to perform their jobs. They have to time their biorhythms so they can get through the times they are suited up without drinking water or going to the bathroom. They are dealing with the crushing demands of their jobs out of sheer dedication to purpose and to helping others because they know if they don't do it our national effort is reduced by that much.

They know if they don't do their job that someone will die. They don't even know who, but just the knowledge that it is someone is depending on them is enough; because they can do something about that.

They have been fighting this pandemic on the front lines since March last year. Many have burned out. Only the strongest remain. Their dedication is not to be taken for granted. They are serving America at great personal risk. Many care givers have died from corona.

We all thought the vaccines were the beginning of the end. We turned the corner. We started to get it under control. Many states opened up too soon. We never got the disease completely under control. We could have been in far better shape had it not been for greed over money and jobs. Money and jobs are absolutely important; but lives are absolutely MORE important. We should not have let up. It turned out to be a huge mistake to relax the protocols too soon.

That was when the Delta variant hit hard. Right when we were not well positioned to deal with it. Delta hit us hard. The reason is because too many Americans are not taking the protocols seriously. They are not masking, not distancing, not even getting vaccinated. This is the one reason the pandemic is so bad in the USA right now. Nearly all the people in the ICUs and dying are not vaccinated. What a waste.

Health care workers are so tired of it. They have no problem helping people; but it is extremely difficult to know that the people who are hit the hardest, who made the decision to not get vaccinated, brought this on themselves. Health care workers tell heart-breaking stories of people gasping for breath in ICUs saying NOW they wish they had gotten the vaccine. They know heartbreak every day seeing people die needlessly.

And to leave work and see people in public protesting against masks and vaccines is a slap in the face of everything health care workers know and see. Propaganda is killing people and debilitating our nation. Anti-vax and anti-mask protestors are out three pretending it is all a joke but health care workers know better. They see the death. They pull the sheets up over the heads of anti-vax people who lost their lives for a lie. They wheel the bodies out, and when they come back down the hall there are more patients to replace them. More patients saying now they wish they had gotten the vaccine.

And still, you anti-vax people refuse to get vaccinated. How do you ignore all of this? How do you pretend it's not happening? How do you pretend there is no pandemic when clearly there is.

I just don't get it.

Where is your heart?

Where is your sense of duty to your country?

Where is your compassion?

What makes you think you are any different than the rest of us, that you will survive this when so many others who felt just like you lost their lives? It makes no sense at all.

A virus doesn't care about politics. A virus is going to go anywhere it is allowed to go. All we have to do is cut off the avenues for it to travel. Stop spending time with others in close proximity wherever possible. Wear a mask when you must be near others indoors or in crowds. And for the love of humanity, get vaccinated.

It is time. You've held out this long and you've lucked out if you're still OK. Maybe you've already gotten COVID and you didn't know it. Maybe you got it and did know it and you got better. Maybe you've already spread it to others and didn't even know it, or worse, didn't care. Somebody is probably dead because of you. We've all seen the stories of heartbreak and loss. We've all seen the stories of those who didn't get vaccinated, lost a husband or wife, parents, or even children, and THEN they changed their mind. They decided they will get the vaccine after tragedy struck them.

That might be you if you do not get vaccinated.

It is time.

Just do it.

And get with the rest of us in fighting this pandemic. If we all do our part together we can totally get it under control and get our regular lives back. But as long as people like you hold out and keep spreading the disease, that will never happen. You need to believe in America. It is time to unite. Believe that when we are united against a common enemy, we can prevail. We do not have to accept defeat by a dumb virus. We are humans. We have brains. All we have to do is used them properly.

Stop listening to your friends. Stop listening to propaganda. Think for yourself.

Do the right thing.

Get vaccinated.

I don't really care why you held out for so long. Sure. I am curious. But it doesn't matter. The important thing is that EVERYONE joins together to fight our common enemy. Don't worry about the politics. That is not important. This is a matter of life and death.

It is time to give it up and get vaccinated.

It is the single most patriotic thing you can do right now. Listen to what every hospital in America is telling you. If you have any questions at all about getting vaccinated, ASK YOUR DOCTOR.

You wouldn't ask a doctor how to build a house. If you're a carpenter, do not listen to another carpenter tell you how to protect your health and the health of your family and loved ones. If you got messed up in a car wreck you are not going to get stitched up by a carpenter. You are going to trust your life to your doctor.

This is no different. Getting vaccinated is an important health care concern. The only person you should listen to on important health care concern is a doctor. (And don't make the mistake of shopping around until you get one to tell you what you want to believe. That is pointless.) Just ask your regular doctor. See what he/she says.

I bet they won't agree with Tucker Carlson. (who has no medical degree) Listen to the person whose job it is to protect your health.
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Because I am already immune, with actual natural immunity, which is more effective than immunity from the leaky vaccines.

Because mask mandates do not do anything useful.

Because the vaccines are leaky and driving evolution of more virulent strains:
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

It's looking more and more like the vaccinated are the ones responsible for the recent rise, much like these chickens:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous
Snippet From The Article said:
But a chicken virus that represents one of the deadliest germs in history breaks from this conventional wisdom, thanks to an inadvertent effect from a vaccine. Chickens vaccinated against Marek’s disease rarely get sick. But the vaccine does not prevent them from spreading Marek’s to unvaccinated birds.

In fact, rather than stop fowl from spreading the virus, the vaccine allows the disease to spread faster and longer than it normally would, a new study finds. The scientists now believe that this vaccine has helped this chicken virus become uniquely virulent. (Note: it only harms fowl). The study was published on Monday in the journal PLOS Biology.

This is the first time that this virus-boosting phenomenon, known as the imperfect vaccine hypothesis, has been observed experimentally.

The reason this is a problem for Marek’s disease is because the vaccine is “leaky.” A leaky vaccine is one that keeps a microbe from doing serious harm to its host, but doesn’t stop the disease from replicating and spreading to another individual. On the other hand, a “perfect” vaccine is one that sets up lifelong immunity that never wanes and blocks both infection and transmission.
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Into the Night said:
Vaccines are not required for kids to attend school.
You are right. The covid19 situation is different. You are starting to see the Church of Covid. It is based on two paradoxes.

They admit that their own mask doesn't work every time they demand that you put on a mask. (paradox M)
They admit that their own vaccination doesn't work ever time they demand that you get vaccinated. (paradox V)

It is irrational. They are trying to argue both sides of these two paradoxes. That's why it doesn't make sense.
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The only thing we're trying to argue is that you're literally the dumbest most drug addicted plus brain on the planet
 
Gondwanaland said:
Because I am already immune, with actual natural immunity, which is more effective than immunity from the leaky vaccines.

Because mask mandates do not do anything useful.

Because the vaccines are leaky and driving evolution of more virulent strains:
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

It's looking more and more like the vaccinated are the ones responsible for the recent rise, much like these chickens:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous
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Actually the mask mandates do do something useful it's just that your opioid induced delusion confuses you
 
katzgar said:
Actually the mask mandates do do something useful it's just that your opioid induced delusion confuses you
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Sorry, I'm a teetotaler, hun. I don't even consume coffee.

The reality is, mask mandates do not, in fact, do anything useful. Would you like some examples?

Here are the Philippines with Mask mandates (and even mask and face shield mandates), and high compliance:
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Here's Mongolia with mask mandates and fines for noncompliance:
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Here's the near-identical curves of Idaho and Montana, despite one having a mask mandate for months and the other having no such mandate:
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And here is Israel Vs Sweden - Israel with strict and constant mask mandates (and high vaccination), and Sweden with next to no mask-wearing compliance, and no mask mandate:
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Gondwanaland said:
Sorry, I'm a teetotaler, hun. I don't even consume coffee.

The reality is, mask mandates do not, in fact, do anything useful. Would you like some examples?

Here are the Philippines with Mask mandates (and even mask and face shield mandates), and high compliance:
E_bwelBVkAAVIQz


Here's Mongolia with mask mandates and fines for noncompliance:
E_WIW9yVIAIxI5E


Here's the near-identical curves of Idaho and Montana, despite one having a mask mandate for months and the other having no such mandate:
E_LkvS0VcAAwdwD


And here is Israel Vs Sweden - Israel with strict and constant mask mandates (and high vaccination), and Sweden with next to no mask-wearing compliance, and no mask mandate:
E-oEJq-VQAIW-Qi
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When you were a kid your parents told you to cover your mouth when you coughed or sneezed and you are so meth addicted that you couldn't go from that to wearing a mask
 
Into the Night said:
Vaccines are not required for kids to attend school.
You are right. The covid19 situation is different. You are starting to see the Church of Covid. It is based on two paradoxes.

They admit that their own mask doesn't work every time they demand that you put on a mask. (paradox M)
They admit that their own vaccination doesn't work ever time they demand that you get vaccinated. (paradox V)

It is irrational. They are trying to argue both sides of these two paradoxes. That's why it doesn't make sense.
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In many places vaccines are required for kids to enter school. Not necessarily covid, but several others like diptheria, tetanus, polio, etc and I think that is a good thing
But thanks for pointing out the many hypocrisies of the libtardians.
 
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