Should Trump pardon the January 6 thugs?

ZenMode said:
No. As far as I know, nobody inside the Capitol has their life threatened by a rioter. You could argue that the officer being chased up the stairs by the mob may have been justified in using lethal force, but that's about it.
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Fiction, Sock. Making shit up won't work.
 
Jarod said:
It might well be that some of the sentences are excessive, I often think in America we generally hand out excessive sentences for non-violent crimes, but I believe in excessive for violent crimes.

We also, as a nation, are way to easy on economic crime.


Generally speaking we are to harsh on non-violent street crime.
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You don't get to speak for everyone, Sock. You only get to speak for you.
 
Into the Night said:
You don't get to speak for everyone, Sock. You only get to speak for you.
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He wasn't speaking for everyone. He was giving his opinion.

"I often think in America we generally hand out excessive sentences for non-violent crimes, but I believe in excessive for violent crimes."
 
Into the Night said:
What crime, Sock?
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[FONT=&quot]Criminal charges:[/FONT]

  • Approximately 452 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 123 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
    • Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted on Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
  • Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on Jan. 6.
  • Approximately 1,186 defendants have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds. Of those, 116 defendants have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
  • Approximately 71 defendants have been charged with destruction of government property, and approximately 56 defendants have been charged with theft of government property.
  • More than 332 defendants have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
  • Approximately 57 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.
  • https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/36-...e pleaded,have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors.
 
Into the Night said:
You ARE speaking for everyone, Sock. That WAS your opinion.
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ZenMode gave his opinion: ""I often think in America we generally hand out excessive sentences for non-violent crimes, but I believe in excessive for violent crimes."

This is not my opinion. Read more carefully.
 
Flash said:
Criminal charges:

  • Approximately 452 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 123 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
    • Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted on Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
  • Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on Jan. 6.
  • Approximately 1,186 defendants have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds. Of those, 116 defendants have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
  • Approximately 71 defendants have been charged with destruction of government property, and approximately 56 defendants have been charged with theft of government property.
  • More than 332 defendants have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
  • Approximately 57 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.
  • https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/36-...e pleaded,have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors.
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Since protestors were being escorted through the building by Capitol building security, how is that 'trespassing' or any other crime?

The rioters were Democrats, Sock. NONE of them served any time for their crimes.
 
Into the Night said:
Since protestors were being escorted through the building by Capitol building security, how is that 'trespassing' or any other crime?

The rioters were Democrats, Sock. NONE of them served any time for their crimes.
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When they refused to leave and got violent it was a crime. You watched the hearings. They were escorting the rioters away from the members of Congress to protect them.

I am still waiting for one item of evidence that the rioters were Democrats. That is one of your biggest lies.
 
Jarod said:
It might well be that some of the sentences are excessive, I often think in America we generally hand out excessive sentences for non-violent crimes, but I believe in excessive for violent crimes.

We also, as a nation, are way to easy on economic crime.


Generally speaking we are to harsh on non-violent street crime.
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Overall, I think our justice system does a pretty good job. I think the J6 rioters were at least partially a victim of humans in a system that wanted to make an example of them. To a point, I agree. Yes, the violent far right failed this time at stopping an elected president from taking power, but that doesn't mean that future attempts, if the "crazy" continues to increase, couldn't be successful and we don't want them to continue to try and try and try again, potentially with increased levels of violence. However, I think many lives were unnecessarily ruined with long prison terms and piling on of charges.
 
Flash said:
When they refused to leave and got violent it was a crime.
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They didn't refuse to leave, Sock, and there was no violence by the escorted protestors.
Flash said:
You watched the hearings.
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I don't pay much attention to sham hearings, Sock.
Flash said:
They were escorting the rioters away from the members of Congress to protect them.
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No, they weren't.
Flash said:
I am still waiting for one item of evidence that the rioters were Democrats. That is one of your biggest lies.
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RQAA. Argument of the Stone fallacy. That's not gonna work, Sock. Stop asking the same question over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
 
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