The existence of Israel is proof there is no God

kaz said:
You're making such a ridiculous argument there is no seriousness to start. We want to destroy you, but if you'd at least pull your borders in we'd agree with that while we continue to try to destroy you...
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Well, you talk like you're going to have a choice. As I said earlier, albeit in different terms, the world is not going to forgo its objectives of peace and the rule of law for the sake of Israeli greed and intransigence. The United Nations is far too important a body to have one pariah state threaten its usefulness. Israelis should take their- undeserved- gift of Palestinian territory and be eternally gratefeful for the legitimacy gained therein. As for neoZionism- nobody will miss it.
 
moon2012 said:
Well, you talk like you're going to have a choice. As I said earlier, albeit in different terms, the world is not going to forgo its objectives of peace and the rule of law for the sake of Israeli greed and intransigence. The United Nations is far too important a body to have one pariah state threaten its usefulness. Israelis should take their- undeserved- gift of Palestinian territory and be eternally gratefeful for the legitimacy gained therein. As for neoZionism- nobody will miss it.
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If only the Jew bastards would do the decent thing and die, huh, Adolph? The UN is rampant with anti-sematism
 
Jews aren't the only ethnic minorities which produce bastards, of course, but you're really describing Jewish extremists- and nobody wants extremists of any description, Jewish included. Here's a list of Jewish extremist groups which are proscribed by the US State Department;
From Presidential Executive Order 13224: "Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions With Persons Who Commit, Threaten to Commit, Or Support Terrorism." (Sept. 2001)

Kach; Kahane; Kahane Chai; Kahane Lives
American Friends Of The United Yeshiva
American Friends Of Yeshivat Rav Meir
Committee For The Safety Of The Roads
Dikuy Bogdim
Dov
Forefront Of The Idea
Friends Of The Jewish Idea Yeshiva
Jewish Idea Yeshiva
Jewish Legion
Judea Police
Judean Congress
Kahane Tzadak
Kfar Tapuah Fund
Koach
Meir's Youth
New Kach Movement (New York chapter)
No'ar Meir
Repression Of Traitors
State Of Judea
Sword Of David
The Committee Against Racism And Discrimination (CARD)
The Hatikva Jewish Identity Center
The International Kahane Movement
The Jewish Idea Yeshiva
The Judean Legion
The Judean Voice; The Voice of Judea
The Qomemiyut Movement
The Rabbi Meir David Kahane Memorial Fund
The Way Of The Torah
The Yeshiva Of The Jewish Idea
Yeshivat Harav Meir
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Who wants 'em to survive ?

Is the US State Department ' antisemitic ' ? Of course not.
Is the UN ' antisemitic ' ? Of course not.
Are all Jews terrorist rats ? Of course not.
Will Israeli terror make Israel legitimate ? No.
 
moon2012 said:
They are not REQUIRED to recognise Israel. Nobody is. The point of accepting the pre-1967 borders is that it confounds the neoZionist dream of an illegal ' Greater Israel ' and enables the Palestinians to consolidate their own statehood. Of course, the Israelis are not required to recognise it- but the borders can be legally imposed as Israel has no legal claim to any occupied territory at all. ' Facts on the ground ' is a neoZionist pipe-dream. As I said, Israelis would be well advised to accept the pre-1967 borders and not look a gift horse in the mouth.
Also, please try to avoid insulting invective. It will only backfire on you.
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So, Palestine has never been a state?
 
iewitness said:
if being a Zionist means that I believe the pre 1967 borders will be restored, according to the representation of this map; count me in as a "Zionist"....... https://www.google.com/search?q=abr...xd2OZC1uM:&usg=__994oLeYn3mBJrISi7RdN9KLOFWM=
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Good move. You'll get to wear kewl sandals;

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moon2012 said:
Palestine has been a United Nations-recognised state since November, 2012.

http://www.un.org/press/en/2012/ga11317.doc.htm

The recognition gave the Palestinians access to the International courts- much to the horror of their oppressors and their oppressors backers. Names unnecessary.

Israel has been a United Nations-recognised state since 1948.
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And long before that it was a nation with a well recorded history, a capital, a long succession of kings, etc.

It's astounding that people take 'the Palestinian cause' seriously. In 2006 the terrorist organization Hamas was *voted* into power by the same people who would make up a putative Nation of Palestine. Of course, 2006 was before the Arab Spring when the Islamists were voted into power in Egypt...and we saw how that turned out.

But perhaps your oblivious to the lesson. If so, here is how Islamists roll, politically: democracy only exists as a means to an end both for Islamic terrorists and their Islamist comrades. And the END IS ALWAYS sharia because these people cannot conceive of a government apart from Islamic law. In fact, they consider secular government an affront to Allah and the supremacy of Islam. Including our own, btw.

Hint: this, and not the crusades or imperialism or the Iraq war is why they hate us.

They hate Israel for the same reason. Moreover, many of these people are taught out of the Koran to hate Jews which only further complicates matters. Even leaving Israel out of it, enabling a Palestinian nation is enabling sharia law and Islamist control of territory in the region. Have we learned nothing over the past 15 years or so about what it means for women, religious minorities, gays, even Muslims of the wrong stripe[!] living under Islamic rule?

Do you advocate sharia law in any other instances?
 
In due course 'Israel' will inevitably go the way of the Crusader States. What I fear is that decent Jews will suffer by contamination from these Nazi child-killers.
 
It's astounding that people take 'the Palestinian cause' seriously. In 2006 the terrorist organization Hamas was *voted* into power by the same people who would make up a putative Nation of Palestine. Of course, 2006 was before the Arab Spring when the Islamists were voted into power in Egypt...and we saw how that turned out.
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It's clear that you oppose free and fair elections and supported the sedition and bribery which undermined free and fair elections in Palestine and Egypt.
Both Israel and the USA are on open record as having poured money into the attempted coup in Palestine and both now openly cavort with the successful coup leaders in Egypt.
It can be very safely concluded that neoZionism is an enemy of democracy- that neoZionists prefer military juntas over elected bodies and that neoZionism, not Palestine, is opposed to peace.

Take heart though. The Palestinians have offered all illegal squatters in their country the option to remain and become Palestinian citizens once the Israeli occupation has been defeated. They will get to live in Palestine- but not as invaders.
 
kaz said:
And Israel isn't Jewish?
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No, Israel isn't Jewish.
25% of Israeli citizens are not Jewish.
Israeli legislation which uses Israel's Jewish majority against its Arab citizens is racist- as all can plainly see.

Nobody recognises Israel as a ' Jewish ' state. In fact, when Israel made its unilateral declaration of statehood , in 1948 , President Truman crossed out ' Jewish state ' in the recognition document and inserted ' state of Israel '- as is evident from this record;
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Further;
The Balfour Declaration and the Mandate provided not for a Jewish state, but for a Jewish national home.2 Neither the United States nor the British Government has ever interpreted the term 'Jewish national home' to be a Jewish national state."

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0994/9409074.htm

What do you have in mind for the 25% of Israeli citizens who are not Jewish ?
 
This might further serve to discredit the notion of a ' Jewish State '

It is obviously a contradiction in terms to say that Palestinian-Israelis have full equal rights with Jewish Israelis (which anyway is not true) and then to say that Israel is the national homeland only of the Jewish Israelis. Some rights are obviously being lost by exclusion from the national homeland. In fact, given that Netanyahu is in coalition with Avigdor Lieberman and other extreme nationalists who want to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian-Israelis and perhaps the Palestinians in general, one can only entertain dark fears that Netanyahu’s rhetoric, depriving the Palestinian-Israelis of any rights in the national homeland, is a prelude to their removal from it. And, it is outrageous that Netanyahu sees Jews as the only partakers in the national homeland when there were virtually no Jews in geographical Palestine (what is now Israel and Palestine) from 1000-1800 AD, whereas the Palestinians have lived there all along.

http://www.juancole.com/2014/05/netanyahus-nationalism-jewish.html
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....and 25% of Israeli citizens are not Jewish, as previously stated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
 
kaz said:
Again using my insult, you really have nothing, huh?

And Israel isn't Jewish? LOL, keep talking, Jew haters self identify
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It is, you know, pure Nazi racist, And its founders detested traditional Jewry,. nazi grovellr You Nazis are a sickening phenomenon, an insult to all the Jews your Great Model murdered.
 
iolo said:
It is, you know, pure Nazi racist, And its founders detested traditional Jewry,. nazi grovellr You Nazis are a sickening phenomenon, an insult to all the Jews your Great Model murdered.
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Riiiiigggghhhhtttt. I'm a Nazi who supports Jews having a homeland and not being murdered by Arabs. That makes so much sense.

You forgot the rim shot, Rickles
 
moon2012 said:
Israeli legislation which uses Israel's Jewish majority against its Arab citizens is racist- as all can plainly see.
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It isn't racist because Jewish isn't a race. Now you can argue that their citizen requirements are strict or that it shouldn't be mainly based on bloodline, but it most certainly isn't racist.
 
Sentistar said:
It isn't racist because Jewish isn't a race.
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You're correct that ' Jewish ' isn't a ' race '. It's an ethnicity. However, that does not mean that victimisation, exploitation and rejection of Arabs, including Israel's Palestinian citizens is not ' racist '. It most certainly is. This is because the term ' racism ' covers attitudes towards aspects and characteristics of people other than the genetic differences which we have observed as defining ' race ' in the past. Indeed, though Jewishness cannot be seen as ' racial ', bad attitudes towards Jews on the basis that they are simply Jews is most certainly ' racist ' . The term covers bad attitudes towards ethnicity too.


Legal

The UN does not define "racism"; however, it does define "racial discrimination": According to the United Nations International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination,

the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.[22]

This definition does not make any difference between discrimination based on ethnicity and race, in part because the distinction between the two remains debatable among anthropologists.[23] Similarly, in British law the phrase racial group means "any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin".[24]

In Norway, the word "race" has been removed from national laws concerning discrimination as the use of the phrase is considered problematic and unethical.[25][26] The Norwegian Anti-Discrimination Act bans discrimination based on ethnicity, national origin, descent and skin color.[27]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
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Now you can argue that their citizen requirements are strict or that it shouldn't be mainly based on bloodline, but it most certainly isn't racist.
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Yes, it most certainly is and for the reasons outlined above. Indeed, Israelis themselves recognise racism in Israel and term it as such;

A racist Jewish State
Every day the Knesset has the option of passing laws that will advance Israel as a democratic Jewish state or turn it into a racist Jewish state. There is a very thin line between the two. This week, the line was crossed. If the Knesset legal counselor did not consider the bill entitled "the Jewish National Fund Law" as sufficiently racist to keep it off the agenda, it is hard to imagine what legislation she will consider racist.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/884358.html
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