The Gospel of Thomas

[Melchizedek = Michael]

Well I respect that, but I know of no physical laws or chemical laws of the universe that compel justice, equality, fairness, a belief in beauty.

I've never had a dog or cat that showed appreciation for a painting or a beautiful sunset.

Anyone who has been around self-centered three year olds knows that fairness and equality are not concepts that are natural and innate to them


None of this proves or disproves anything about an Abrahamic God, The Dao, or any divine spirits.

What I am saying is that I think we are kidding ourselves if we think everything about the human experience can be explained by laws of chemistry, physics, or mathmatical equations.

Exactly right! Now break on through to the Spirit world and you're home !

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

I am going to dismiss without prejudice that there is any possibility my wife is a serial killer.

WTF?

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

Did someone engineer this, or did it come to being by dumb luck of atoms?

 

[Ross Dolan]

You're assuming Faith is Blind Faith.

I am not assuming "faith" as applied here is Blind Faith. Belief in this context IS a blind guess...and faith is merely insisting that the blind guess is correct.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Did someone engineer this, or did it come to being by dumb luck of atoms?

What do you mean "dumb luck of atoms"? Curious because atoms don't interact solely by "luck". Yes there is a role for statistical behaviors during reactions (the molecules need to hit each other at the right speed and orientation), but their interactions are governed by various RULES which bias the results to one thing or another as opposed to just random chance.

 

[Cypress]

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Did someone engineer this, or did it come to being by dumb luck of atoms?

The fact that humans and other species have aspects of our anatomy that are not perfectly designed, but seem to be derived from a series of ad hoc evolutionary adaptations isn't consistent with an all knowing, perfect creator.

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

I am not assuming "faith" as applied here is Blind Faith. Belief in this context IS a blind guess...and faith is merely insisting that the blind guess is correct.

Wrong

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

What do you mean "dumb luck of atoms"? Curious because atoms don't interact solely by "luck". Yes there is a role for statistical behaviors during reactions (the molecules need to hit each other at the right speed and orientation), but their interactions are governed by various RULES which bias the results to one thing or another as opposed to just random chance.

Who's the engineer?

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

The fact that humans and other species have aspects of our anatomy that are not perfectly designed, but seem to be derived from a series of ad hoc evolutionary adaptations isn't consistent with an all knowing, perfect creator.

Luck or a engineer?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

While it is impossible to prove a negative, it seems quite irrational to accept EVERYTHING until it has been disproven.

I suppose then one would have to worship Odin, Zeus, Aharu Mazda and Krishna as well as God using this metric of not dismissing anything until you have 100% proof that it is not true.

no one is required to believe anything they don't want to.......

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Who's the engineer?

This isn't an engineering question. It's a chemistry question.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

no one is required to believe anything they don't want to.......

...well, to be fair, in many sects of Christianity failing to believe the right thing is a guaranteed trip to eternal torment in the fires of hell.

But if that doesn't bother someone, sure they can believe what they like!

 

[Cypress]

Luck or a engineer?

Neither.

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

This isn't an engineering question. It's a chemistry question.

Who's the engineer?

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

Neither.

Then how did a human body come to be?
I'll understand if you deflect again.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Who's the engineer?

So you don't know what you meant when you said "luck of atoms". Got it.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Then how did a human body come to be?

Evolution.

Why do you think it bears much of the same overall structure as most mammals on the planet earth and we are almost physically indistinguishable from the great apes.

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

Evolution.

Why do you think it bears much of the same overall structure as most mammals on the planet earth and we are almost physically indistinguishable from the great apes.

So with no direction at all a human body just evolved from single cell animals? Is that what you're selling?

 

[Saint Guinefort]

So with no direction at all a human body just evolved from single cell animals? Is that what you're selling?

Well, we do have lots of fossils showing development over time of various animals (including humans), so yeah, that's what science is selling.

What is your hypothesis?

 

[Cypress]

Then how did a human body come to be?
I'll understand if you deflect again.

Evolution by some combination of natural selection, gene flow, and genetic drift.