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Truth Detector said:
No, we don't. I stated that it is moronic to suggest that they were brave. They took the easy way out and were manipulated by a corrupted hack jurist who violated the Defendents rights.

No one is angry at the jury. NO one is going to come after them. We are going to go after the political hacks that have corrupted the system by electing Trump in November.

Then we will start cleaning house of these Fascistic autocrats in the Biden Administration and Justice Department.



Only to uneducated fools who know little or nothing about our laws or human nature. Much like the bad decision to incacerate Chauvin, the jury did it because they knew if they didn't the mob would come after them and burn their city down. The same thing with this case.

It isn't right wing mobs who burn and loot when they don't get their way, that is YOUR side of the aisle dimwit,
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Threats against judges have doubled in the last year or do.

The two women in Fulton County received death threats from Trumpers.

“Hang Mike Pence!”
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, Trump wasn't permitted to present any defense witnesses he wanted. The judge nixed an FEC expert on election fraud for example. The judge also limited testimony by other defense witnesses while allowing prosecution witnesses that added nothing to the trial, like Stormy Daniels, to ramble on for hours.
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Nope, that’s a lie on the FEC person. His testimony was limited, not disallowed. The FEC person, nor an expert is not allowed to testify on law. That’s the jurisdiction of the presiding judge.

Just more RW lies you guys thrive on.
 
Concart said:
I’d like remind you of a couple of things. First, these crimes were committed IN THE OVAL OFFICE. And the payments were made to influence the election by keeping information from the voters. That isn’t ‘paying a stripper and lying about it.’ It is an attempt to hide information from the country. It’s as serious as a heart attack and if this was the way to expose that I am all for it.
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Just one correction: I believe that the hush money payments happened *before* the election. The other crime here is that the misdemeanors were committed while engaged in another crime -- trying to influence an election.

Maybe Judge Marchan can rescind the 2016 election and declare it invalid. lol
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, Trump wasn't permitted to present any defense witnesses he wanted. The judge nixed an FEC expert on election fraud for example. The judge also limited testimony by other defense witnesses while allowing prosecution witnesses that added nothing to the trial, like Stormy Daniels, to ramble on for hours.
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None of that is true. But...

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domer76 said:
Nope, that’s a lie on the FEC person. His testimony was limited, not disallowed. The FEC person, nor an expert is not allowed to testify on law. That’s the jurisdiction of the presiding judge.

Just more RW lies you guys thrive on.
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Like a NY judge knows anything about federal election law, while someone who enforces federal election law isn't allowed to testify on it...
 
ZenMode said:
Misappropriating campaign funds is a federal charge in this case. No federal agency saw reason to charge Trump and it's not in a state's jurisdiction.
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At least you know that it's a crime. Now if you paid attention to the weeks and weeks of explaining how NY could tie trump's actions to a crime, you wouldn't be so confused here.
 
ZenMode said:
The states case was related to falsification of documents, Not campaign funding. There's a reason why no federal agency took up the case.
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Conspiracy to commit campaign fraud among other things. You can bang a porn star legally. You can pay to keep her quiet legally. You can pay a tabloid to hide your whoring ways, and to lie about your opponents.

You cannot falsify documents to avoid taxation, which was the least of trump's problems here. The falsification of documents and conspiracy to do so were done for a specific purpose.

When the misdemeanor crimes were perpetrated for the commission of a felony, that ties it all into a nice neat package.
 
ZenMode said:
Yes, it was about campaign finance fraud. That's why Cohen was sentenced to prison in 2018. He was charged and sentenced federally, not at a state level because he violated federal law. The federal government, at least twice, passed on the opportunity to bring a case against Trump for orchestrating the hush money payment. Brag, wrongly in many peoples' opinions, manufactured a non-existent federal case against Trump to turn what should have only been misdemeanor charges for falsifying documents into felonies, then created some unisual rules for the jury which like increases the odds of conviction.

I think Trump is a garbage human being, but this isn't how our "justice" system should run.
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So you think that if the electorate knew that trump was banging a porn star while is wife was nursing their infant son, he still would have won? Having an affair with a Playboy model?

The lengths that Cohen went to fund the payoff, and subsequent attempt to fudge the books qualify as conspiracy.

You might not think 'justice' was served, but do you honestly believe that the election would have turned out the same if the electorate had all of the info from this case?
 
domer76 said:
One more time, Jethro. Campaign finance was not an element in this case.

The felony was to illegally pay the hush money with the intent to

Cohen pleaded guilty because he made the payments himself.

Trump’s felony was the falsification of payments with the intent to influence an election. The charges were not “turned into” anything. They were felonies all along.
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I thought Cohen went to prison for tax evasion and lying to either Congress or the FBI?
 
Concart said:
You mean by explaining the law to the jurors? Is that the part that bothers you? Because that's kind of standard. And both sides have input into those instructions.
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There you are! I was hoping you made the move.
 
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