Theology Question

Cypress said:
Explain what morality has to do with the agnostic viewpoint.
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Morality has to do with what decisions we make and how we live.
What idea of God do you have, what properties does it have?

Those properties you attribute are your responsibility. You give God the property of not being knowable yet you believe there is a God there.
 
BidenPresident said:
You choose to be indecisive.
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So...in your (you will excuse the expression) mind...a person who chooses to blindly guess there is a GOD and a person who chooses to blindly guess there are no gods...are both being decisive...

...but a person who chooses not to blindly guess in either direction is being indecisive.

You are an asshole, BP. You should be ashamed of reasoning with that much in the way of defects.
 
BidenPresident said:
You choose to be indecisive.
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One other thing...

...you are a "believer."

You either "believe" there are no gods...or you "believe" it is more likely there that are no gods than that there is at least one god.

Both those "beliefs" are nothing but blind guesses.

And you have the audacity to suppose you are being decisive because of a blind guess. You are not.
 
BidenPresident said:
Morality has to do with what decisions we make and how we live.
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No, try again. You are just changing the Dictionary definition of morality to make your assertion work. Morality has to do with right conduct, right behavior.

Explain why is is wrong behavior, bad conduct to take the agnostic viewpoint.

"Morality", definition, Cambridge Dictionary:

a set of personal or social standards for good or bad behavior and character:

the quality of being right, honest, or acceptable:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/morality
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Cypress said:
I do not agree with the premise of the thread that happiness is the goal of life, the be all end all of it. Happiness is a state of temporary euphoria, it doesn't seem biologically possible to be in a state of euphoria all the time, and it's not clear to me it would even be healthy.
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BidenPresident said:
That is not the premise of the thread.
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Yes it is, did you forget what you wrote?

BidenPresident said:
Theology question:

If God is all powerful, why can God not make everyone happy?
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BidenPresident said:
Agnosticism is just moral indecision.
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That doesn't make sense.
BidenPresident said:
Cypress said:
Explain what morality has to do with the agnostic viewpoint.
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Morality has to do with what decisions we make and how we live.
What idea of God do you have, what properties does it have?

Those properties you attribute are your responsibility. You give God the property of not being knowable yet you believe there is a God there.
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Agreed morality has to do with how we think (decisionmaking) and how we live, but you failed to answer the question: Why is agnosticism morally indecisive? Do you think atheism and theism are morally decisive or indecisive?

Morality is relative. Pedo Don, Slick Willie and their buddy Jeffrey had no problem having sex with 15-17 year olds. Both Pedo Don and Bernie Madoff had no problem ripping people off of their money. Ms. Hillary had no moral problems violating classified material protocols. The Romans laid unwanted or defective infants on a hillside to die of exposure. All of those actions are moral or immoral relative to one's belief system.

That said, as Cypress and I have discussed before, there are some morals that are conducive to a tribe/village of humans living together and there are morals that will cause the tribal/village bonds to fall apart. Most involve harm by one group of people against another, such as rape, murder and theft. That said, there is no universal standard for morality. Morality is dependent up on the goal; to keep a group of people working together in harmony or to break them apart.
 
Frank Apisa said:
One other thing...

...you are a "believer."

You either "believe" there are no gods...or you "believe" it is more likely there that are no gods than that there is at least one god.

Both those "beliefs" are nothing but blind guesses.

And you have the audacity to suppose you are being decisive because of a blind guess. You are not.
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Being able to accept the limits to our knowledge seems to be the primary requirement for the agnostic approach.
 
Cypress said:
BidenPresident said:
I don't know what magic is. Nor ESP. But I have communicated with a friend without aid of a telephone and solely through mind.
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That's just nuts.

I don't see how you can maintain a tone of mockery about religious beliefs, while claiming to have powers of telepathic communication.
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It certainly is a non sequitur. Notice how she quickly backed away from the claim without further explaination.

To reiterate: there is no valid evidence of magic, ESP, ghosts or other supernatural phenomena.
 
Cypress said:
That's just nuts.

I don't see how you can maintain a tone of mockery about religious beliefs, while claiming to have powers of telepathic communication.
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Russell Targ (born April 11, 1934) is an American physicist, parapsychologist and author who is best known for his work on remote viewing. ... Targ and Puthoff both expressed the belief that Uri Geller, retired police commissioner Pat Price and artist Ingo Swann all had genuine psychic abilities; ...
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One of Pat Price's best-known sessions is the description of the Soviet arms factory in Semipalatinsk in 1974, during which he sketched and described, true to scale and in fairly detail, a huge eight-wheel gantry crane and a camouflaged steel ball twenty meters in diameter under construction.
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Stargate Project - Wikipedia
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As with Ingo Swann and Pat Price, Puthoff attributed much of his personal remote viewing skills to his involvement with Scientology whereby he had attained, at that time, the highest level. All three eventually left Scientology in the late 1970s. Puthoff worked as the principal investigator of the project.
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Pat Price Remote Viewer, Researcher Russell Targ on NOVA The Early Days at SRI CIA-Initiated Remote Viewing Program at Stanford Research Institute by H. E. Puthoff ( .pdf viewer download) Dr. Harold Puthoff Physicist Russell Targ Physicist Randall Fontes M.A. Psychology
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Clairvoyant Remote Viewing: The US Sponsored Psychic Spying
https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu › olj › sa › sa_jan02srm01.html
This viewing was carried out by Pat Price who was described by Russell Targ as one of their 'psychic treasures'. The target was selected randomly from out of a 'target pool' of sites, unknown to Pat Price and Russell Targ who were stationed inside a 'Faraday Cage' in the Radio Physics Building of SRI International Labs.
Remote Viewing: The CIA Experiment That Was Too Successful - Anomalien.com
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In the experiment, the subject (known only as SG1J but actually Pat Price, a retired police commissioner) was informed of the existence of a top secret Soviet military base at a place called Semipalatinsk "25 to 30 miles south west of the Irtysh River" in Siberia.
The Reality of ESP: A Physicist's Proof of Psychic Abilities - IMHU
https://imhu.org › anomalous-experience › esp
Price also described the type and location of the kidnap car, enabling the police to find it within minutes. That remarkable event is one reason Targ believes in ESP. Another occurred when his group made $120,000 by forecasting for nine weeks in a row the changes in the silver-commodity futures market. As a scientist, Targ demands proof.
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Doc Dutch said:
It certainly is a non sequitur. Notice how she quickly backed away from the claim without further explaination.

To reiterate: there is no valid evidence of magic, ESP, ghosts or other supernatural phenomena.
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I think telepathic communication is about as likely as Jesus walking on water.
 
JesusAI said:
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Russell Targ - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Russell_Targ
Russell Targ (born April 11, 1934) is an American physicist, parapsychologist and author who is best known for his work on remote viewing. ... Targ and Puthoff both expressed the belief that Uri Geller, retired police commissioner Pat Price and artist Ingo Swann all had genuine psychic abilities; ...
Pat Price - PSI-Unit
https://psi-unit.com › en › glossar › pat-price
One of Pat Price's best-known sessions is the description of the Soviet arms factory in Semipalatinsk in 1974, during which he sketched and described, true to scale and in fairly detail, a huge eight-wheel gantry crane and a camouflaged steel ball twenty meters in diameter under construction.
GrvFeedback
Stargate Project - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Stargate_Project
As with Ingo Swann and Pat Price, Puthoff attributed much of his personal remote viewing skills to his involvement with Scientology whereby he had attained, at that time, the highest level. All three eventually left Scientology in the late 1970s. Puthoff worked as the principal investigator of the project.
Why Scientology Had to be Destroyed: Russell Targ, Dave LaCroix talk ...
https://www.youtube.com › watch?v=qu_niaAnKbE
Subscribe Russell Targ and Dave LaCroix discuss their mutual friend Pat Price. Did Price's exceptional psychic abilities seal his fate along with the fate of Scientology? New information,...
Pat Price (Remote Viewing) - From the Secret Life of Plants to The Play ...
ebdir.net › enlighten › price.html
Pat Price Remote Viewer, Researcher Russell Targ on NOVA The Early Days at SRI CIA-Initiated Remote Viewing Program at Stanford Research Institute by H. E. Puthoff ( .pdf viewer download) Dr. Harold Puthoff Physicist Russell Targ Physicist Randall Fontes M.A. Psychology
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History - The Monroe InstitutePat Price - PSI-UnitA Psychic Spy | VICE United StatesRemote Viewing Weaponized.... | Plus Ultra Technologies/30 stepsOut of the Psychic ClosetRussell Targ | Contact in the DesertRemote Viewing Isn't Pseudoscience! Physicist Russell Targ Slams ...Dark Journalist part 2 interview with Remote Viewing founder Russell ...Russell Targ: CIA Psychic Pioneer Explains His Physics Theory for ESP
More Images for russell targ pat price
Clairvoyant Remote Viewing: The US Sponsored Psychic Spying
https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu › olj › sa › sa_jan02srm01.html
This viewing was carried out by Pat Price who was described by Russell Targ as one of their 'psychic treasures'. The target was selected randomly from out of a 'target pool' of sites, unknown to Pat Price and Russell Targ who were stationed inside a 'Faraday Cage' in the Radio Physics Building of SRI International Labs.
Remote Viewing: The CIA Experiment That Was Too Successful - Anomalien.com
https://anomalien.com › remote-viewing-the-cia-experiment-that-was-too-successful
In the experiment, the subject (known only as SG1J but actually Pat Price, a retired police commissioner) was informed of the existence of a top secret Soviet military base at a place called Semipalatinsk "25 to 30 miles south west of the Irtysh River" in Siberia.
The Reality of ESP: A Physicist's Proof of Psychic Abilities - IMHU
https://imhu.org › anomalous-experience › esp
Price also described the type and location of the kidnap car, enabling the police to find it within minutes. That remarkable event is one reason Targ believes in ESP. Another occurred when his group made $120,000 by forecasting for nine weeks in a row the changes in the silver-commodity futures market. As a scientist, Targ demands proof.
‎ESP Trainer on the App Store
https://apps.apple.com › us › app › esp-trainer › id336882103
Russell Targ Designed for iPhone #4 in Casino 4.4 • 260 Ratings $0.99 iPhone Screenshots Over 300,000 sold! As successfully developed for NASA at the Stanford Research Institute. The ESP trainer was developed under a NASA program by Russell Targ at Stanford Research Institute.
Stanford's most successful remote viewer reveals location of four alien ...
https://nexusnewsfeed.com › article › consciousness › stanford-s-most-successful-remote-viewer-reveals-location-of-four-alien-bases-on-earth
Russel Targ, the co-founder of the program at RSI has also recently given lectures on "everything" he "knows about ESP." In fact, his TED talk about it was cancelled, you can watch that here. According to Atwater, Pricer had successfully remote viewed 4 extraterrestrial 'bases' stationed on Earth.
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I don't read walls of word salad, and I try to avoid interaction with the mentally ill.
 
Cypress said:
I don't read walls of word salad, and I try to avoid interaction with the mentally ill.
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Yeah, I was told by Doc Dutch that he doesn't do "text walls" either.

Now, granted this guy's text wall was just a bunch of copy-paste trash, but that's not unlike your non-stop listing of references and names of philosophers. So it's not dramatically different from your usual level of "discussion".
 
BidenPresident said:
If God is all powerful, why can God not make everyone happy? If God created the entire universe, why not create a utopia?

If God cannot make everyone happy, God is not all powerful.
If God can make everyone happy and does not, God is cruel and petty.

Solution, God is not all powerful and cannot make everyone happy.

Even God has limits to power.
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Tell me are you a parent?

Does a good parent provide their children every possible thing in life? Or does a good parent try to teach their children responsibility, how to deal with failure, and generally prepare them for the realities of life?
 
Cypress said:
I think telepathic communication is about as likely as Jesus walking on water.
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Agreed, at least not without tech such as brain-wave analyzer. :thup:

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Cypress said:
I think telepathic communication is about as likely as Jesus walking on water.
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That's not very ecumenical of you. You are going to be accused of hate against Christians if you question the veracity of the Bible.

It was once suggested by a poster on here that I was an antisemite because I questioned the theology of the Old Testament God.

You have to be careful on this forum. You step on people's toes so easily, even when you don't mean to.
 
Cypress said:
I don't read walls of word salad, and I try to avoid interaction with the mentally ill.
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Agreed. Also, note he just cut'n'pasted a wall of text without explanation. A second grader can do that.

This is one reason I enjoy asking members if they can explain something in their own words. Not that most cannot.
 
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