Trump Is Constitutionally Barred From Holding Office.

Yakuda said:
Sure all you have to do is show that "You know why" is a dishonest statement. Oh thats right you're a fucking pussy and cant. Know thats honest

BTW addicts also dont stick their noses in other people business because they do a daily fearless personal inventory of their own faults and focus on those instead of on the faults of others. You should try it some time you retarded cunt. Socrates says the unexamined life is not worth living. You should do us all a favor and heed his advice but you're a retarded cunt so...
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It's intent, but you are free to be as dishonest with yourself as you are others, Yak. Isn't that what addicts do? Deceive themselves and others?

Understood and agreed. What honest people do is not blame others for their own mistakes.
 
Yakuda said:
I agree but they must first interpret the constitution to determine if any law "conforms" to it.
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No, they don't. The only thing they interpret is the law in question. They have no authority to interpret the Constitution. They MUST conform to the Constitution. They have NO authority over it. They MUST operate UNDER it. Only the States have the authority to interpret the Constitution itself.
 
Into the Night said:
No, they don't. The only thing they interpret is the law in question. They have no authority to interpret the Constitution. They MUST conform to the Constitution. They have NO authority over it. They MUST operate UNDER it. Only the States have the authority to interpret the Constitution itself.
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Again I agree but its impossible to conform to the constitution if you dont understand what the constitution says. That requires interpretation. If you write something I need to interpret it to understand it. Im not sure how you reach a state of understanding something without interpreting it.
 
Yakuda said:
Sure all you have to do is show that "You know why" is a dishonest statement. Oh thats right you're a fucking pussy and cant. Know thats honest

BTW addicts also dont stick their noses in other people business because they do a daily fearless personal inventory of their own faults and focus on those instead of on the faults of others. You should try it some time you retarded cunt. Socrates says the unexamined life is not worth living. You should do us all a favor and heed his advice but you're a retarded cunt so...
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Thank you for an example of you putting responsibility upon others to disprove your own unsubstantiated claims, Yak.

Again, addicts never accept responsibility for their actions. They always blame others. Your choice, Yak. No one can make your choices except you.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
He has to be found guilty of it first for it to apply.

Secondly you will notice the president isn't mentioned in there anywhere.

Constitutionally the president can still run.
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No, he doesn't have to be found guilty of anything.

There is no requirement in the Constitution that the disqualification be imposed by any court or specific process – only that it applies to people who take certain actions against the Constitution. The evidence to convict Trump in the Georgia racketeering case is the same evidence, coming from the same Georgia officials, who will be determining whether, under the 14th Amendment, Trump is qualified to be on the 2024 presidential ballot – or not. No court proceedings or verdict are needed. The Georgia officials already hold that evidence, because much of it comes from them. They don’t need a trial to establish what they already know.

How could Trump avoid this happening? A quick trial date in Atlanta with an acquittal on all counts might do it, but this runs counter to his strategy to delay all the pending criminal cases until after the 2024 election.

With no pre-election trial, there will likely be no Trump on the 2024 Georgia ballot, and no chance for him to win Georgia’s 2024 electoral college votes. Once Georgia bars him, other states may follow. That would leave Trump with no way to credibly appear on the ballot in all 50 states, giving him no chance to win the electoral votes required to claim the White House.
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Trump isn't going to be on the GA ballot and once he is off, other states will have every right to follow. Hopefully the right will nominate the shithead before we have a dozen or so states say he isn't going to be on their ballot. The states make this determination and the federal govt cannot force a state to include someone on their ballot even if they wanted to.
 
Port Tack said:
No, he doesn't have to be found guilty of anything.



Trump isn't going to be on the GA ballot and once he is off, other states will have every right to follow. Hopefully the right will nominate the shithead before we have a dozen or so states say he isn't going to be on their ballot. The states make this determination and the federal govt cannot force a state to include someone on their ballot even if they wanted to.
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They can't legally keep him off or anyone for that matter.

If that was the case no blue states would ever have a republican candidate ever on the ballot.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
The Supreme Court would have to rule on whether that is referring to the president or the positions listed before that statement.
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No, the supreme court doesn't have the power to tell any state who can or cannot appear on their ballot. If the state of GA says they are not going to allow Trump's name to appear on their ballot there is nothing that the supreme court can do to force them.
 
Port Tack said:
No, the supreme court doesn't have the power to tell any state who can or cannot appear on their ballot. If the state of GA says they are not going to allow Trump's name to appear on their ballot there is nothing that the supreme court can do to force them.
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States have laws for ballot access, if any candidate meets those requirements they get on the ballot.

They can't simply choose to keep someone off the ballot if they meet the requirements, that would be illegal.

It is shocking that you would support this type of fascist doctrine.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
And, a proof there are those that want to keep Trump from being able to run...
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No question about that but those people are republicans.

The officials in Georgia who collectively determine who is qualified to be on Georgia’s presidential ballot are Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger, Governor Brian Kemp and former Lt. Governor Geoff Duncan.

They are all republicans and unless Trump is found innocent of all charges he will not appear on the GA ballot. If Trump gets his court date postponed he won't be on the GA ballot.
 
Port Tack said:
No question about that but those people are republicans.

The officials in Georgia who collectively determine who is qualified to be on Georgia’s presidential ballot are Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger, Governor Brian Kemp and former Lt. Governor Geoff Duncan.

They are all republicans and unless Trump is found innocent of all charges he will not appear on the GA ballot. If Trump gets his court date postponed he won't be on the GA ballot.
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That's bullshit all around. Trump can't be disqualified if he's the Republican candidate on the basis of being charged with some crime, whatever it may be. Georgia has no say in that. To do what you propose is nothing short of Stalinist.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
States have laws for ballot access, if any candidate meets those requirements they get on the ballot.

They can't simply choose to keep someone off the ballot if they meet the requirements, that would be illegal.

It is shocking that you would support this type of fascist doctrine.
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Based on the 14th Amendment Georgia has every right to declare Trump ineligible and not allow him on their ballot.


Georgia indictment and post-Civil War history make it clear: Trump’s actions have already disqualified him from the presidency
After three indictments of former President Donald Trump, the fourth one in Georgia came not as a surprise but as a powerful exposition of the scope of Trump’s efforts to remain in power despite losing the 2020 presidential election.

Conservative legal scholars spell out how and why those actions – which were observed by the public over many months – disqualify Trump from serving in the presidency ever again. And our read of the Georgia indictment, as longtime lawyers ourselves, shows why and how that disqualification can be put into effect.

the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which states that “No person shall … hold any office, under the United States … who, having previously taken an oath … to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.” Trump took that oath at his inauguration on Jan. 20, 2017.

Both Trump’s Georgia indictment, and his federal indictment in Washington, D.C., cite largely public information – and some newly unearthed material – to spell out exactly how he engaged in efforts to rebel against the Constitution, and sought and gave aid and comfort to others who also did so.
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T. A. Gardner said:
That's bullshit all around. Trump can't be disqualified if he's the Republican candidate on the basis of being charged with some crime, whatever it may be. Georgia has no say in that. To do what you propose is nothing short of Stalinist.
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Based on the 14th amendment to our constitution it would be unconstitutional for Trump to hold office. Any state has every right to say we are not going to allow someone on our ballot that is ineligible to hold office.

Our constitution states clearly.....

“No person shall … hold any office, under the United States … who, having previously taken an oath … to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's bullshit all around. Trump can't be disqualified if he's the Republican candidate on the basis of being charged with some crime, whatever it may be. Georgia has no say in that. To do what you propose is nothing short of Stalinist.
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Bullshit, states have every right. Don't cry just because it's impossible for your fuhrer to be elected.
 
America said:
According to Section 3 of the 14th Amendment,
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He was not charged with insurrection anywhere at all, mostly because there is no evidence for such a charge and they know it. Believe me they would have charged him with it if they could... So... No, he isn't. Only idiots believe inane "suggestions" like this.
 
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