A woman's basic right over her body doesn't "belong w/ the states"

Ross Dolan said:
Who the fuck gives a shit about what YOU consider a medical procedure or not a medical procedure.

You are a fucking moron. An abortion IS a medical procedure, even if an asshole like you refuses to accept it as one.
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You cared enough to ask me.

It's a killing plain and simple.

Someone dies prior to reaching adulthood every single time.
 
Commander Dutch said:
Agreed. If Trump said "it's up to the states to determine if men can breed or not" you'd see the MAGAts flip-flop like a dropped fish.

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Forget breed. It should be up to states to determine if Viagra is safe and legal.
 
christiefan915 said:
Would you support the man pushing for an abortion?
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If he has equal say to the woman. That's his position, and he would have to work that out with her position. Something like his

He wants abortion, she wants to keep child. Child is now 100% hers, man has no further role or say.
He wants to keep the child, she wants an abortion. Child is 100% his, and he pays all her expenses to carry the child to term and deliver it. After that, she has no further role. (Biology is what it is)
Both want abortion, they pay 50 - 50.
Both want to keep child, they pay 50 - 50.

Fair and equal.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If he has equal say to the woman. That's his position, and he would have to work that out with her position. Something like his

He wants abortion, she wants to keep child. Child is now 100% hers, man has no further role or say.
He wants to keep the child, she wants an abortion. Child is 100% his, and he pays all her expenses to carry the child to term and deliver it. After that, she has no further role. (Biology is what it is)
Both want abortion, they pay 50 - 50.
Both want to keep child, they pay 50 - 50.

Fair and equal.
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She built in almost from scratch. That's not 50-50. lol
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If he has equal say to the woman. That's his position, and he would have to work that out with her position. Something like his

He wants abortion, she wants to keep child. Child is now 100% hers, man has no further role or say.
He wants to keep the child, she wants an abortion. Child is 100% his, and he pays all her expenses to carry the child to term and deliver it. After that, she has no further role. (Biology is what it is)
Both want abortion, they pay 50 - 50.
Both want to keep child, they pay 50 - 50.

Fair and equal.
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I've got a better idea.
How's this?

She's thirty-eight weeks pregnant and suddenly realizes that her life has no room for an unwanted baby.
She terminates the pregnancy
and fuck ANYBODY WITH A RUSTY FISHING KNIFE
who thinks that it's anybody's business but her own.

That works for me, TAG.
You good?
 
Joe said:
You cared enough to ask me.

It's a killing plain and simple.

Someone dies prior to reaching adulthood every single time.
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Let's, just for argument's sake, say you are correct.

What happens then?

What happens when a human dies prior to reaching adulthood?

Is it different from what happens when a human dies after reaching adulthood?
 
Althea said:
Forget breed. It should be up to states to determine if Viagra is safe and legal.
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Im not so sure it is. Its come to my attention that sadly,... Dutch has somehow succumbed to Viagra addiction. Its been a tough thing for his family to go through but from what Im told his wife has been taking it the hardest. :unsure: :cautious:
 
Ross Dolan said:
Let's, just for argument's sake, say you are correct.

What happens then?

What happens when a human dies prior to reaching adulthood?

Is it different from what happens when a human dies after reaching adulthood?
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No both are wrong but one is cheated out of much more life,
 
BartenderElite said:
A clump of cells isn't a body. I'd agree that it gets more murky as a pregnancy moves along - but the 1st trimester was a good compromise.

You can't take that right away from a woman, completely. I'm fine w/ restricting it to the 1st trimester.
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So what happens to her body her right. Why do you take her right away then?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I've got a better idea.
How's this?

She's thirty-eight weeks pregnant and suddenly realizes that her life has no room for an unwanted baby.
She terminates the pregnancy
and fuck ANYBODY WITH A RUSTY FISHING KNIFE
who thinks that it's anybody's business but her own.

That works for me, TAG.
You good?
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I don't think anyone else is good with that...but we shall see...
 
BartenderElite said:
What are you even talking about?

Men don't have a say in this. A woman has to carry a fetus to term, in HER BODY. How is there any kind of disconnect on this?
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In the day when men can now get pregnant men get a say. But I'm also OK with women having 100% say so with pregnancies that did not require a man.
 
States do not have rights over a woman's body or their lives. States rights is a trip to the LCD. It is not how you achieve enlightenment.
Abortion keeps some women out of poverty and makes it possible for some to get an education, which a child could inhibit or prevent. The girl would not have equal opportunities to succeed. A child of rape or incest would have great trouble being accepted, even in the family.
When you decree a girl has to carry, you have to prove she is pregnant. That means the police would have the power to destroy patient/doctor privacy. They will have power over her medical records.
If a pregnant girl has a miscarriage, the police will have the power to see if she self-aborted. The law makes mistakes. Some innocent girls will be found guilty and face jail time.
Your religious beliefs do not give you e power over a girl's life.
 
christiefan915 said:
Did he?
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do we need to have this part of our discussion again? i've never blamed a pregnancy on the woman alone, even if he or she lied about certain circumstances. They should BOTH be held responsible. It's wholly unfair to allow one party all the advantages and the other all the disadvantages in that situation.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
If you're suggesting abortion up to birth, you're full of shit.
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9 STATES AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA DO NOT RESTRICT ABORTION BASED ON GESTATIONAL DURATION.

There are adults living today that were born alive during botched abortion.
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Melissa Ohden: 'My mother tried to abort me'
When Melissa Ohden was 14 she learned a shocking secret - her mother had tried to abort her. She was saved by a nurse who heard her crying as she lay among medical waste at a US hospital. This is the story of her survival, and of the mother who thought she was dead.
 
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