American way of life

goat said:
The Anglosphere is in jeopardy. Why do you think they're instigating WW3?
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So getting a Tardis time warp history lesson due to USA Nazification for failure to have Islam nuke Temple Mount for 9/11 & further establish their national religion of thieving US Constitution - old glory - old testament arsonists interpretation of "one nation under God with equal justice under law" which Russia's Orthodox Church has adopted with fabricated Ukraine Nazi misnomers to pick up where Christian Nation retribution "serve the Pope or die" failed in it's second coming.....
 
goat said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
We've been doing that for 40 years, my friend. A second depression won't defund police, as it didn't in the first one. And contrary to popular belief, not every cop in the USA is corrupt or neglectful of their job to protect & serve the public. If they were, You'd know it. Just ask anyone who came from countries where that is the case.
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I'm talking systemic collapse similar to the Soviet Union where no one was paid for quite some time. We all saw the capitol police used as pawns on 6-Jan. When people revolt they come after the state. Cops protect and serve the state, not the people. Another problem with the American way of life is we are clueless about history. Food riots of 1931 ended in government reform. Half of us think reform was a bad thing. We can't reform a divided nation. We have to fight it out to see who wins control of the state. History tells us it will be the nazis.
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Again, you're not saying anything that hasn't been "predicted" in the last 40 years. There is question as to why the Capitol police on Jan. 6th weren't properly reinforced ... as President Biden said, if the majority of those rioters were black, that whole scenario and outcome would have been totally different, and not for the better. And repeating your mantra about cops does not make it a sacrosanct fact, for if that were indeed the case YOU would not have enjoyed the lifestyle you grew up with. Period. (case in point, this venue that we are conversing on would be totally controlled by the state, and a whole lotta people would be in jail or banned or fined or whatever a totalitarian state would dish out). And newsflash, while there is a congenital ailment of "videots" (people who know nothing past their own birthdays) in our society, it is NOT as pervasive as our MSM would have you believe. My presence in this exchange is proof of that, as I am not unique in our society.

You (again) bring up the Great Depression in a moot point followed by opinions based in moot points. We've already done that dance, and I get your point. Unfortunately, that seems to be what you are only interested in as you just essentially ignore what I put forth in favor of your repetition. So unless you've got something new to add, I'd say we're done here.
 
Sawyerloggingon said:
Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
This country was founded on genocide and slavery. Again, the America we pretend to be and the America we are.
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That's the woke version of American history. The reality is genocide and slavery were the status quo worldwide in that era so America wasn't unique in that respect. We were however unique in founding a democratic republic that recognized rights of citizens over rights of government and ultimately led to the abolishment of slavery and equal rights in society of the indigenous population of America that had been vanquished. Also remember the genocide of native Americans was overwhelming due to European disease that they had no resistance to. It was not a Rwanda or Nazi Germany style genocide.
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Stop and think about your first two sentences ... they essentially contradict. Just because "everyone else was doing it" doesn't excuse what happened here in America. It is a matter of history, a matter of fact and not a "woke" version. (I do wish right wingers would get off that latest boogeyman dog whistle ... it wasn't cute when the author "created" it and is sure as hell isn't the definition that Fox Noise and company are pushing).

Your homogenized synopsis of American history leaves out the FACT that slavery's offspring (Jim Crow laws) didn't end until 1968, and bias in the form of "red-lining", predatory lending and biased enforcement of non-violent crimes is on-going. As for the Native people who inhabited this land a millennia before the Vikings, Spanish or Pilgrims showed up ... just do a Google regarding what's going down on the "reservations", the BIA and such. European "disease" in the form of purposely infected blankets given to people is an early form of bio-warfare...and many a Native person can educate you about Wounded Knee. No, it wasn't the Holocaust or Rwanda....it didn't have to be, and the social dynamics are wholly different.
 
Sawyerloggingon said:
goat said:
This country was founded on genocide and slavery. Again, the America we pretend to be and the America we are.
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That's the woke version of American history. The reality is genocide and slavery were the status quo worldwide in that era so America wasn't unique in that respect. We were however unique in founding a democratic republic that recognized rights of citizens over rights of government and ultimately led to the abolishment of slavery and equal rights in society of the indigenous population of America that had been vanquished. Also remember the genocide of native Americans was overwhelming due to European disease that they had no resistance to. It was not a Rwanda or Nazi Germany style genocide.
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Agreed on your recognition of factual history.

However, that doesn't justify those Euro-Americans seeking to deprive all non-Euro-Americans of their rights and/or supporting the violent overthrow of the United States government.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Again, you're not saying anything that hasn't been "predicted" in the last 40 years. There is question as to why the Capitol police on Jan. 6th weren't properly reinforced ... as President Biden said, if the majority of those rioters were black, that whole scenario and outcome would have been totally different, and not for the better. And repeating your mantra about cops does not make it a sacrosanct fact, for if that were indeed the case YOU would not have enjoyed the lifestyle you grew up with. Period. (case in point, this venue that we are conversing on would be totally controlled by the state, and a whole lotta people would be in jail or banned or fined or whatever a totalitarian state would dish out). And newsflash, while there is a congenital ailment of "videots" (people who know nothing past their own birthdays) in our society, it is NOT as pervasive as our MSM would have you believe. My presence in this exchange is proof of that, as I am not unique in our society.

You (again) bring up the Great Depression in a moot point followed by opinions based in moot points. We've already done that dance, and I get your point. Unfortunately, that seems to be what you are only interested in as you just essentially ignore what I put forth in favor of your repetition. So unless you've got something new to add, I'd say we're done here.
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You're done here because Uvalde proved what cowards and liars cops are. They beat up the parents trying to go into the school to rescue their shot-up kids. Cowards and liars become cops so they can spend their life sucking on the taxpayer teat. Even the supreme court ruled that cops are not required to protect and serve the people because they may get hurt while on duty.

My questions are, will cops beat up and shoot hungry women and children surrounding the capitol begging for food? And what do you think the average IQ of a cop is?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Stop and think about your first two sentences ... they essentially contradict. Just because "everyone else was doing it" doesn't excuse what happened here in America. It is a matter of history, a matter of fact and not a "woke" version. (I do wish right wingers would get off that latest boogeyman dog whistle ... it wasn't cute when the author "created" it and is sure as hell isn't the definition that Fox Noise and company are pushing).

Your homogenized synopsis of American history leaves out the FACT that slavery's offspring (Jim Crow laws) didn't end until 1968, and bias in the form of "red-lining", predatory lending and biased enforcement of non-violent crimes is on-going. As for the Native people who inhabited this land a millennia before the Vikings, Spanish or Pilgrims showed up ... just do a Google regarding what's going down on the "reservations", the BIA and such. European "disease" in the form of purposely infected blankets given to people is an early form of bio-warfare...and many a Native person can educate you about Wounded Knee. No, it wasn't the Holocaust or Rwanda....it didn't have to be, and the social dynamics are wholly different.
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First off it's not an excuse it's reality. In that era of history Europe created empires worldwide and enslaving the conquered was SOP.
Woke gives a one sided version of US history and makes it seem like America was unique in the world with slavery and expelling the indigenous population from their lands. Canada, Australia, Mexico, Columbia and virtually all the new world experienced the same from various European countries.We can now all agree this was wrong and barbaric and we hope humanity has reached a higher level but unfortunately Putin and Russia are reviving the old ways in Ukrain as we speak.

Your smallpox blankets thing is evidence that you have been successfully indoctrinated and actually believe this historical myth and are easy fodder for anything and everything that's anti America.
As for wounded knee and other indian massacres they did indeed occur. The Indian wars were brutal as all wars end up being and there were horrible atrocities on both sides. The fact remains though that a vey small percentage of indigenous Americans were killed by bullets. Most estimates are 90% of native Americans were killed by European diseases they had no natural immunity to.
 
goat said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Again, you're not saying anything that hasn't been "predicted" in the last 40 years. There is question as to why the Capitol police on Jan. 6th weren't properly reinforced ... as President Biden said, if the majority of those rioters were black, that whole scenario and outcome would have been totally different, and not for the better. And repeating your mantra about cops does not make it a sacrosanct fact, for if that were indeed the case YOU would not have enjoyed the lifestyle you grew up with. Period. (case in point, this venue that we are conversing on would be totally controlled by the state, and a whole lotta people would be in jail or banned or fined or whatever a totalitarian state would dish out). And newsflash, while there is a congenital ailment of "videots" (people who know nothing past their own birthdays) in our society, it is NOT as pervasive as our MSM would have you believe. My presence in this exchange is proof of that, as I am not unique in our society.

You (again) bring up the Great Depression in a moot point followed by opinions based in moot points. We've already done that dance, and I get your point. Unfortunately, that seems to be what you are only interested in as you just essentially ignore what I put forth in favor of your repetition. So unless you've got something new to add, I'd say we're done here.
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You're done here because Uvalde proved what cowards and liars cops are. They beat up the parents trying to go into the school to rescue their shot-up kids. Cowards and liars become cops so they can spend their life sucking on the taxpayer teat. Even the supreme court ruled that cops are not required to protect and serve the people because they may get hurt while on duty.

My questions are, will cops beat up and shoot hungry women and children surrounding the capitol begging for food? And what do you think the average IQ of a cop is?
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Oh yeah, as I called it you have a serious axe to grind and zero tolerance for ANY contrary logic and fact based information. That you parrot MAGA mush and Fox News noise shows that you're not even interested in a rational discussion. I don't waste time with such a mindset as yours that essentially beats a dead horse. So as I leave you to your last predictable screed, here is a little factoid to pull the rug out from your previous regurgitation. Read it carefully and comprehensively (if you dare), as the devil is in the details. Adios.


Yes, law enforcement officers have a duty to protect the public

In the aftermath of the Uvalde, Texas shooting, some people claim police officers do not have an obligation to protect others.

https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/l...blic/275-6696b9bf-bdd3-43c8-a983-09d1d2aee5b4
 
Taichiliberal said:
Oh yeah, as I called it you have a serious axe to grind and zero tolerance for ANY contrary logic and fact based information. That you parrot MAGA mush and Fox News noise shows that you're not even interested in a rational discussion. I don't waste time with such a mindset as yours that essentially beats a dead horse. So as I leave you to your last predictable screed, here is a little factoid to pull the rug out from your previous regurgitation. Read it carefully and comprehensively (if you dare), as the devil is in the details. Adios.


Yes, law enforcement officers have a duty to protect the public

In the aftermath of the Uvalde, Texas shooting, some people claim police officers do not have an obligation to protect others.

https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/l...blic/275-6696b9bf-bdd3-43c8-a983-09d1d2aee5b4
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Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone
By Linda Greenhouse
June 28, 2005

WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html

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You don't want to talk about the American way of life. Qualified immunity was first introduced in 1967 during the civil rights movement. That means any cop can violate our constitutional rights with impunity. We may as well wipe our ass with the constitution.
 
goat said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Oh yeah, as I called it you have a serious axe to grind and zero tolerance for ANY contrary logic and fact based information. That you parrot MAGA mush and Fox News noise shows that you're not even interested in a rational discussion. I don't waste time with such a mindset as yours that essentially beats a dead horse. So as I leave you to your last predictable screed, here is a little factoid to pull the rug out from your previous regurgitation. Read it carefully and comprehensively (if you dare), as the devil is in the details. Adios.


Yes, law enforcement officers have a duty to protect the public

In the aftermath of the Uvalde, Texas shooting, some people claim police officers do not have an obligation to protect others.

https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/lo...3-09d1d2aee5b4
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Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone
By Linda Greenhouse
June 28, 2005

WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html

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You don't want to talk about the American way of life. Qualified immunity was first introduced in 1967 during the civil rights movement. That means any cop can violate our constitutional rights with impunity. We may as well wipe our ass with the constitution.
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In a specific case under specific circumstances. It was not a blanket ruling to effect every and all actions of law enforcement with regards to the general public in the U.S.A., as my link laid out in detail.

Your intellectual myopia non-withstanding. Oh, and you might want to document your last claim. Thank you.
 
Taichiliberal said:
In a specific case under specific circumstances. It was not a blanket ruling to effect every and all actions of law enforcement with regards to the general public in the U.S.A., as my link laid out in detail.

Your intellectual myopia non-withstanding. Oh, and you might want to document your last claim. Thank you.
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You want to pretend cops are the good guys here to protect the people even when the supreme court said they don't. I noticed you didn't touch qualified immunity. Cops are the enemy of the people, and like the pentagon are bankrupting America. Los Angeles spends half of its budget on policing, no different than any other city. Cops are an occupying force on the American people.
 
goat said:
You want to pretend cops are the good guys here to protect the people even when the supreme court said they don't. I noticed you didn't touch qualified immunity. Cops are the enemy of the people, and like the pentagon are bankrupting America. Los Angeles spends half of its budget on policing, no different than any other city. Cops are an occupying force on the American people.
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You tell that queen off hawkeye!
 
Sawyerloggingon said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Stop and think about your first two sentences ... they essentially contradict. Just because "everyone else was doing it" doesn't excuse what happened here in America. It is a matter of history, a matter of fact and not a "woke" version. (I do wish right wingers would get off that latest boogeyman dog whistle ... it wasn't cute when the author "created" it and is sure as hell isn't the definition that Fox Noise and company are pushing).

Your homogenized synopsis of American history leaves out the FACT that slavery's offspring (Jim Crow laws) didn't end until 1968, and bias in the form of "red-lining", predatory lending and biased enforcement of non-violent crimes is on-going. As for the Native people who inhabited this land a millennia before the Vikings, Spanish or Pilgrims showed up ... just do a Google regarding what's going down on the "reservations", the BIA and such. European "disease" in the form of purposely infected blankets given to people is an early form of bio-warfare...and many a Native person can educate you about Wounded Knee. No, it wasn't the Holocaust or Rwanda....it didn't have to be, and the social dynamics are wholly different.
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First off it's not an excuse it's reality. In that era of history Europe created empires worldwide and enslaving the conquered was SOP.
Woke gives a one sided version of US history and makes it seem like America was unique in the world with slavery and expelling the indigenous population from their lands. Canada, Australia, Mexico, Columbia and virtually all the new world experienced the same from various European countries.We can now all agree this was wrong and barbaric and we hope humanity has reached a higher level but unfortunately Putin and Russia are reviving the old ways in Ukrain as we speak.

Your smallpox blankets thing is evidence that you have been successfully indoctrinated and actually believe this historical myth and are easy fodder for anything and everything that's anti America.
As for wounded knee and other indian massacres they did indeed occur. The Indian wars were brutal as all wars end up being and there were horrible atrocities on both sides. The fact remains though that a vey small percentage of indigenous Americans were killed by bullets. Most estimates are 90% of native Americans were killed by European diseases they had no natural immunity to.
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I'll just pull the rug out from under your biases, revisionist screed with these:

Wounded Knee 1890 https://www.britannica.com/event/Wounded-Knee-Massacre

Wounded Knee 1973 https://www.britannica.com/topic/Second-Battle-of-Wounded-Knee

https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets

https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets

the rest of your screed was previously addressed....your generalized moot points do not support or justify your stance .... neither does placing the word "woke" before them....that's just a boogey man dog whistle for the MAGA/Alt-Right crowd, signifying nothing.

And I would like to see the valid source for your last two sentences.
 
goat said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
In a specific case under specific circumstances. It was not a blanket ruling to effect every and all actions of law enforcement with regards to the general public in the U.S.A., as my link laid out in detail.

Your intellectual myopia non-withstanding. Oh, and you might want to document your last claim. Thank you.
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You want to pretend cops are the good guys here to protect the people even when the supreme court said they don't. I noticed you didn't touch qualified immunity. Cops are the enemy of the people, and like the pentagon are bankrupting America. Los Angeles spends half of its budget on policing, no different than any other city. Cops are an occupying force on the American people.
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Spare us all your smoke blowing BS....what I state is a bonafide FACT that was proven....you can't deny or refute it, so all you do is just attempt a deflection with doubling down on your supposition and conjecture (no documentation).

You can't document your last claim, and your insipid stubbornness is just a waste of time. But I agree that in this instance, you are the goat. Adios.
 
goat said:
You want to pretend cops are the good guys here to protect the people even when the supreme court said they don't. I noticed you didn't touch qualified immunity. Cops are the enemy of the people, and like the pentagon are bankrupting America. Los Angeles spends half of its budget on policing, no different than any other city. Cops are an occupying force on the American people.
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That's actually not what he said.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Spare us all your smoke blowing BS....what I state is a bonafide FACT that was proven....you can't deny or refute it, so all you do is just attempt a deflection with doubling down on your supposition and conjecture (no documentation).

You can't document your last claim, and your insipid stubbornness is just a waste of time. But I agree that in this instance, you are the goat. Adios.
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What percent of our national budget goes to the pentagon?
What percent of a city budget goes to cops?
How many trillions of dollars went to bank bailouts and QE since 2008?
 
goat said:
What percent of our national budget goes to the pentagon?
What percent of a city budget goes to cops?
How many trillions of dollars went to bank bailouts and QE since 2008?
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You can't refute or disprove ANY of the points and documentation I've previously put forth. You can't even provide documentation to some of your statements despite being asked twice now.

Nope, all you do is just flit to the next series of questions in hopes that no one will notice your previous failures. Very Trumpian of you ( I expected better of you). The chronology of the post shows your intellectual dishonesty and insipid stubbornness in our exchange here. You're done, and I'm moving on. You may have the last predictable word/response/accusation.
 
Taichiliberal said:
You can't refute or disprove ANY of the points and documentation I've previously put forth. You can't even provide documentation to some of your statements despite being asked twice now.

Nope, all you do is just flit to the next series of questions in hopes that no one will notice your previous failures. Very Trumpian of you ( I expected better of you). The chronology of the post shows your intellectual dishonesty and insipid stubbornness in our exchange here. You're done, and I'm moving on. You may have the last predictable word/response/accusation.
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