BREAKING: Trump says he’s going to overturn the 14th Amendment with an executive order.

Jarod said:
No, but the clear meaning covers them. The amendment was written with a broad definition for a reason. They could have just said “former slaves” are citizens, but they used broader concepts and principles to define what is a citizen, and those broad concepts clearly cover these people born here. People born here are not immigrants.
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For a hundred years the Amendment was interpreted not to confer citizenship to anyone who could illegally sneak in. It wasn't until the mid-20th that the provision was distorted to cover illegals. Even as recent as Eisenhower the idea of anchor babies was rejected by the courts.

Precedent is not on your side.
 
Neil N. Blowme said:
Yes, that's what the 1898 Supreme Court said. The 2024 Supreme Court may say something different.
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Which word in this sentence has a meaning that is not clear?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Persons in the country illegally are persons and are part of all.
Born is pretty clear and has no other possible meanings.
Subject to the jurisdiction thereof has a meaning that can't be changed without making the person exempt from US law.

Every person that is born in the US that is subject to US laws is a citizen of the US. No court can make a valid argument that the Constitution says anything else without completely destroying US law. On top of that, if you eliminate birthright citizenship you make everyone born in the US to parents or grandparents or ancestors that were not US citizens no longer US citizens since their ancestors were not legal citizens so their birth was not to a US citizen.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Which word in this sentence has a meaning that is not clear?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Persons in the country illegally are persons and are part of all.
Born is pretty clear and has no other possible meanings.
Subject to the jurisdiction thereof has a meaning that can't be changed without making the person exempt from US law.

Every person that is born in the US that is subject to US laws is a citizen of the US. No court can make a valid argument that the Constitution says anything else without completely destroying US law. On top of that, if you eliminate birthright citizenship you make everyone born in the US to parents or grandparents or ancestors that were not US citizens no longer US citizens since their ancestors were not legal citizens so their birth was not to a US citizen.
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Illegals born here were not citizens until the Supreme Court decided in 1998 that they were. The Amendment was referring to ex-slaves and their children.
 
Daylight63 said:
It doesn't matter. The IMPORTANT first step is to get them into the camps that are being built THEN figure out what to do with them.

Remember: they are likely still BROWN and have an Hispanic surname. So how "American" can they really be?
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Why do you support illegal immigration?
 
Neil N. Blowme said:
Why do you support illegal immigration?
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1. Illegals don't scare me. I work in industry as a corporate drone. They aren't coming for my job.
2. Illegals are here BECAUSE AMERICANS PAY THEM TO BE HERE. WE ARE THE PROBLEM
3. I've lived in a town loaded up with undocumented aliens and they were among the most family-oriented hard workign people you'll meet.

I would like to control immigration but I'm also not TERRIFIED of the illegals.
 
Daylight63 said:
1. Illegals don't scare me. I work in industry as a corporate drone. They aren't coming for my job.
2. Illegals are here BECAUSE AMERICANS PAY THEM TO BE HERE. WE ARE THE PROBLEM
3. I've lived in a town loaded up with undocumented aliens and they were among the most family-oriented hard workign people you'll meet.

I would like to control immigration but I'm also not TERRIFIED of the illegals.
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So you're okay with spending billions of our tax dollars to take care of them and you're okay ignoring the crimes that many commit. Good luck.
 
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