christiefan915
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I have, and fortunately he agrees with me.
BREAKING: Trump says he’s going to overturn the 14th Amendment with an executive order.
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Let's assume you are correct illegals not being citizens. Donald Trump's grandfather arrived in the US illegally. That means his father could not be a US Citizen and therefore Donald Trump is not a US citizen. Since Donald Trump is not a US citizen under the Constitution as you perceive it to be then he is not eligible to be President.
As to your claim that the amendment only refers to ex-slaves and their children, then does that mean you are not a person? All persons has a clear meaning. It means every person even those that are not ex-slaves and not the children of ex-slaves.
Wrong.
Neil N. Blowme
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Good.
Neil N. Blowme
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Prove it.
Daylight63
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Well, that doesn't really happen.
But I bet YOU'RE more than happy to spend Billions of dollars fixing "voter fraud" which also doesn't really exist to any significant extent.
So....
Neil N. Blowme
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That's what the 1898 Supreme Court decided. The entire reason for the 14th Amendment was to ensure full citizenship rights for ex-slaves and their descendants.
Trump's mother was a US citizen.
How so?
Neil N. Blowme
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How so what?
How was his mother a citizen? Were her ancestors subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?
Correct in one standpoint. It was written so ex-slaves couldn't be denied the same rights as all others had. That is why it says ALL persons. Everyone else was already a citizen by being born in the US. The 14th made sure southern states couldn't deny citizenship to ex-slaves but made sure they had the same rights to citizenship as ALL other persons had that were born in the US.
How could she be if her ancestors did not immigrate legally?
Under your theory barely anyone is a citizen. My ancestors came over when it was a British colony and were certainly not under the jurisdiction of the United States.
But the significant difference is that the framers of the 14th used broader concepts language not narrow language. They close not to say simply that firmer flames were now citizens. They chose to define citizenship for the ages.
Neil N. Blowme
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Correct in the fact "all citizens". Not children of non-citizens.
Dutch Uncle
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Not a lawyer as the MAGA morons claim to be, but SCOTUS has reaffirmed the meaning of the 14th Amendment several times. That's good enough for me.
Notice too that Pedo Don tried this before and failed.
This is a list of fourteenth amendment cases that have been chosen under the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Supreme Court set clear precedent on birthright citizenship
Unsurprisingly, birthright citizenship came to America with English common law. Justice Horace Gray emphasized the need to interpret the legal meaning of “citizen” for constitutional purposes in the 1898 case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark. That case concerned a San Francisco man born to Chinese nationals whose citizenship status was called into question when he returned from a trip to China. Ark had never renounced ties to the United States or acquired conflicting allegiance to China, and the Supreme Court’s 6-2 ruling in his favor established precedent in interpreting the 14th Amendment’s citizenship clause.The court observed that under English law, citizenship was by “birth within the allegiance, also called ‘ligealty,’ ‘obedience,’ ‘faith,’ or ‘power’ of the king.” Under the principle, “all persons born within the king’s allegiance and subject to his protection” were citizens. Allegiance and protection obligations were “not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom.” Therefore, all “children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects.” According to Justice Gray, the “same rule was in force in all the English colonies” in America.
He referenced an 1832 case, Levy v. McCartee, in which Justice Joseph Story wrote, “If an alien cometh into England and hath issue two sons, these two sons are indigenae, subjects born, because they are born within the realm,” and any such child was “a native-born subject, according to the principles of the common law.”
In his interview trump again said America is the only country that gives citizenship to kids born here. You would think someone would inform him. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-birthright-citizenship
You don't seem to know the difference between persons and citizens.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Your reading would mean that only citizens born in the US would become citizens. An idiotic reading that no one would accept since it would mean no one could ever be a citizen since they would have to first be a citizen before they became a citizen.
Anything to support Dear Leader.
That's the point - they did commit a crime - hence they will be deported.
Did you know that if you murder a bunch of people, then write a book about your crime spree, you are not entitled to the proceeds of the book. Causally called the "Son of Sam" law, this deals with the idea that one cannot profit from the commission of crimes.
Same principle applies here. Criminals deliberately cross the border pregnant in order to profit from the crime.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
^^^
Example of a MAGA lawyer.
Notice that many of Trump's real lawyers have resigned, been suspended or disbarred. LOL
Trump's lawyers keep getting in trouble with judges. Here are the 17 sanctioned so far.
Former President Donald Trump's election challenges have resulted in numerous sanctions for lawyers representing him or working on his behalf.
www.businessinsider.com