Debunking Covid stupidity part one: Vaccines DO slow the spread

Althea said:
They don't like that trump lost. Had he won, after lying about the virus for a year, he would have been hawking the vaccine like it was named 'trump'.

Even now his 'supporters' boo him whenever he admits to having been vaccinated/boosted.
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Trump didn't lose. There was no election to lose. He simply left at the end of his term.
I really don't care if Trump is vaccinated. It means nothing. He's already had covid19. He is already immune.
 
Concart said:
They don't get hospitalized AT THE SAME POINT IN TIME AS THE CASES OCCUR. My God, if you can't figure this out, there is no hope for you. The question is how many of the cases that occurred TODAY will end up in the hospital a week or two from now. The only stat that matters when it comes to vaccines is the likelihood that a person winds up in the hospital. For every vaccinated person, TWELVE unvaccinated people end up in the hospital. It is what it is. You are probably a flat earther.
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You are making up numbers again. Argument from randU fallacy. Cliche fallacy.
 
Concart said:
This likely goes right over your head, but here goes.

Florida had a 1,023% increase in Covid cases over the last week. Since these are BRAND NEW CASES none of them, or very few of them will have resulted in hospitalization AT THIS POINT.
New York had a 232% increase, meaning that most of New Yorks cases were older, and therefore more would have resulted in hospitalizations. It's logic and math. Of course the ratio of new cases to new hospitalizations will be much greater than Florida, because ALL OF FLORIDAS CASES ARE NEW. Get it, or do I need to draw you a picture?
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Argument from randU fallacy. You are making up numbers again.
 
ExpressLane said:
The CDC is basing its opinion on a single small scale study. The Israel study was 700,000 persons. The Washington Post quotes from 15 other study that have similar results as does the Israeli study.
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The CDC is not based on ANY study. There is no data. It is not possible to measure the number infected.
 
Concart said:
This is simple math. Let's take a look at an example using the Delta variant:

Vaccinated people are five times less likely to be infected with the Delta variant. This is a fact. If you don't accept it as fact, please skip posting here and pick up a book instead.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm

The R0 of Delta with no mitigation factors is somewhere around 5-7, let's go with five for this exercise:

https://academic.oup.com/jtm/article/28/7/taab124/6346388

Okay, now lets start. 200 people are exposed to a person the Delta variant, 100 are vaccinated, 100 are unvaccinated. Given the delta and the efficacy of the vaccines:

7 unvaccinated people will get the variant
2 vaccinated people will get the variant (I'm erring on the side of caution, it's actually less than two)

If the group had been 100 percent vaccinated, 3 people would have gotten the virus, instead of nine. Each iteration increases the infection exponentially. This is simple math. Three is less than nine. Therefore vaccines slow the spread. If enough people are vaccinated, and additional mitigation is used, the R0 will quickly drop below 1.

Any questions? If you are having trouble understanding, see the teacher for assignment to the remedial window licker class.
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You are a fucktard.
 
Concart said:
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!! Delta hasn't even been AROUND for 11 months, and those studies were done in the first half of 2021. I was right. You are too stupid to post here.
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Delta was introduced as 'The New Catastrophe' by the Church of Covid in mid November of 2020.
Omicron was introduced as 'The New Catastrophe' by the Church of Covid in mid November of 2021.

Both of these are complete fiction. It is not possible to have a variant of a variant.

Their immediate purpose was essentially the same...quashing Thanksgiving and Christmas. It is then used through the next year to keep the fear mongering going.
 
Concart said:
OH MY FUCKING GOD. You aren't serious. The cases are TOO NEW for the individuals to be hospitalized yet. They haven't recovered. Are you really this obtuse? Good God. That's frightening.
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Special pleading fallacy. Argument of the stone fallacy. Fear mongering. Trolling. No argument presented.
 
Stone said:
Thats nice. Then those who want to be vaccinated should do so,....those that do not should not. Constantly hammering people to death about it accomplishes NOTHING. Those who want to be jabbed have already done it. Those who do not NEVER will and all the hammering, cramming, begging, bitching moaning and insulting will not add one single soul to the vaccinated list. In fact it may even make those on the fence/leaning NO even less likely. But whatever makes you feel better I guess. Myself,....I am not into futile endeavors. They are merely a waste of everyone's time.
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You might say the same about any hardened political belief. Once a political leaning gets hardened into ideology it stays there, as many of our own differing left/right arguments continually illustrate. The question is why should a medical science question reach this point? Why should Dr. Fauci of all people become something on the order of a dirty Leftist?
 
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