Dems did themselves in!

Micawber said:
Sanders was immaterial. He lost, Hillary won. Hillary then should have pummeled the clown. She didn't. It is what it is. Nothing sanders did or didn't do altered the result.
Sanders could never have defeated dump the chump. Trump triggered racists, white rural Jesusland warfare class resenters plus joe sixpack Limbaugh misguided nincompoops outnumber activist socialists in the USA.

Why is this a current event? It's not even instant replay, it's ancient history.
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Wholeheartedly disagree. There was a large contingent of Sanders voters who opted for trump out of spite. Super delegates pissed them off. All the rest simply stayed home.
 
Superfreak said:
I agree regarding Nader. Bush vs. Clinton would have been interesting to see heads up. But it is what it is. I think 2016 was an anti establishment election. Sanders was enough maverick/independent that he would have stood a much better chance against Trump. I think he would have done what Hillary could not... excite the Dem base. She lost because Dems stayed home.
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She got the Dem. base. She didn't excite Indies.
 
Althea said:
Overwhelmingly, Clinton's problem was a lack of enthusiasm by the young voters. They would have flooded to the polls for Sanders, as they did for Obama.
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Well, I hear that a lot, mostly from younger Sanders supporters.

I think they seem to feel that their vote alone would've been enough to carry Sanders to victory, without regard to how older, more centrist and conservative Democrats would've voted.

There were a lot of things Sanders was proposing that we older, middle of the road type Dems either didn't find credible or downright disagreed with.

Then there was the plethora of negative ammo the Repugnants had at their disposal to throw at him.

He's a socialist, the anti-women articles he wrote, etc, etc, etc.

So the question then becomes one of how many older, centrist Dems would've stayed home or voted for Stein or even some other candidate?

I'm not convinced that the enthusiasm of the youthful Sanders crowd would've guaranteed a win for him.
 
he was never actaully a democratic party member

HE USED MY PARTY and used Russian lies to get voters

Hilary got HOW MANY more votes than Sanders?


he was not the democratic party members choice was he
 
evince said:
he was never actaully a democratic party member

HE USED MY PARTY and used Russian lies to get voters

Hilary got HOW MANY more votes than Sanders?


he was not the democratic party members choice was he
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He was MUCH more aligned (and true to) liberal values. At best, Hillary was a centrist, but really, she was just expedient and shifted her positions according to polls.

Bernie did a great thing in 2016, which Hillary could not do, and which we won't see the effects of for years. He got younger voters excited about issues and about politics. They were engaged & involved. And the future leaders of your precious Dem party will come from that group.
 
then he massaged Russian lies to try and win



Bernie USED my party


he was allowed on the boat becuase he promised not to massage republican lies


Then he did just that and even used Russian lies


HE LET HIS SUPPORTERS REPEAT LIES ABOUT HILARY


then you wonder why Democratic life time members didnt want him helped
 
Althea said:
While this might be true, trump had plenty of baggage that meant nothing to his base. Likewise, Sanders' baggage would have been ignored by Democrats who would have fallen in line, as well as the Progressives who refused to vote at all.

You're conflating this election with every other election in history. 2016 was like no other year in our lifetime.
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Damn I hate disagreeing with you .. but democratic women voters running to vote to someone who wrote glowingly about 3 men gang raping a woman. I don't think so.

Hispanic voters running to vote for someone who voted to dump nuclear waste in a poor Hispanic community. I don't think so.

Sanders had no connection to the black community. He would not have garnered the black votes that Hillary did.

Promising to raise taxes on the middle class is hardly a recipe to win large percentages of independent voters.

Democratic voters are not Trump voters, who Trump could tell anything.

Had Sanders won the nomination, he would have lost far worse than Hillary Clinton did.
 
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The pussy grabber on steroids.

A 12 year old girl raped by 14 men .. APPEALING???

What argument would democrats have about Trump's character?
 
Althea said:
On this we agree. Unfortunately, this election wasn't about qualifications. Obviously
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howzabout u show me crooked hillarys personal accomplishmentz from her long long career ridin rapin billz coat tails then?

what billz did she sponsor & get passed az a carpetbagging ny senator?

list em

what foreign policy milestonez did she have 2 her credit az the pos sos?

list em
 
Taichiliberal said:
Why do you purposely take a sentence out of context to try and make your assertion more valid?
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A sentence?

That shit is sick.

Who writes about a 12 year old child being raped by 14 men?

"To what in US are they appealing."

US who?

Had Sanders been the nominee .. you wouldn't be asking me anything .. you would be answering to the nation for the sick comments made by the guy you think should be the president.

This is an argument that divides progressives even here. Imagine Sanders being the nominee.
 
blackascoal said:
A sentence?

That shit is sick.

Who writes about a 12 year old child being raped by 14 men?

"To what in US are they appealing."

US who?

Had Sanders been the nominee .. you wouldn't be asking me anything .. you would be answering to the nation for the sick comments made by the guy you think should be the president.

This is an argument that divides progressives even here. Imagine Sanders being the nominee.
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Again, you keep harping on the out of context instead of dealing with the entirety. By that tactic, you can justify ANY speculation, supposition or conjecture.

And since the article is for GENERAL READING BY THE PUBLIC, saying "us" is not specifying anyone. So stop pretending otherwise.
 
Taichiliberal said:
True enough....but you do remember that his call to halt licensing nuke plants, as opposed to Hillary? And then there was this gem by the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...a5aed7958dc_story.html?utm_term=.e280cae50f1f
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Actions have consequences my friend.

It's hard .. if not impossible .. to present yourself as some environmentalist when you've legislated to dump nuclear waste on an poor community of Hispanic people far from your own all white community.

Do you believe that democratic and independent voters wouldn't care?
 
Nomad said:
If Sanders hadn't run in the primaries, we wouldn't have this disgrace in the WH right now because a lot of the negativity that his campaign generated towards Clinton would not have came about.

So you can thank him for giving us President Trump.

I was telling the BernBots it was going to happen all last summer.

To anyone who supported Sanders or voted for some other candidate other than HRC, next time you pass a mirror, stop, look at your reflection and thank yourself for helping give us President Trump.
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All you've done is just regurgitate the SOS you did previously.....a pretty piss poor attempt to validate what is painfully obvious to be nothing more than just willfully ignorant OPINIONS, with little to no basis in FACTS or LOGIC. Pretty sad on your part, son. No wonder Obama whupped your party's butt TWICE!
 
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