Do Democrats Comprehend?

Cypress said:
1) Commission members aren't elected either. I don't know what the relevance of Brownie being appointed has to do with anything.

2) No one said anything about keeping blundering neoconservatives or their republican apologists out of goverment. A commission is intended to have the best people, with the best judgement for a given problem. Surely, you can understand this. Richard Perle and Newt Gingrinch don't qualify for a commission on Iraq. That doesn't mean they can't be in government or public service.
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Those people on the committee are usually elected representatives. Pretending that those who won elections in other places who didn't vote your way are not people that voted is going to bite your ass. I'm willing to watch you do it. I've already seen the result of it from the other side of that stage.
 
Damocles said:
Okay, so those that won weren't voted for by a large group? Those that lost by a closely fought election were not voted for? You are being deliberately obtuse.
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Neocons? No way.

You are interchanging the terms "necons" and "republicans". And while neocon support came mostly, but not soley, from the republican side of the aisle, the two are not the same.

They've largely lost that support. Not just amongst the American people, but also amongst elected Republicans...who are running from them as fast as they can.

Even Grover Norquist came out and said this weekend that "there was no call from the conservative base to invade Iraq".

Those guys are dead Damo. You might be one of about three guys left in this country who don't know it yet.
 
Damocles said:
Those people on the committee are usually elected representatives. Pretending that those who won elections in other places who didn't vote your way are not people that voted is going to bite your ass. I'm willing to watch you do it. I've already seen the result of it from the other side of that stage.
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your talking about congressional committees.

Dixie's post was about an independent commission, comprised of statesmen who are appointed - they aren't elected representatives, nor are they currently serving in elected office.
 
Darla said:
Neocons? No way.

You are interchanging the terms "necons" and "republicans". And while neocon support came mostly, but not soley, from the republican side of the aisle, the two are not the same.

They've largely lost that support. Not just amongst the American people, but also amongst elected Republicans...who are running from them as fast as they can.

Even Grover Norquist came out and said this weekend that "there was no call from the conservative base to invade Iraq".

Those guys are dead Damo. You might be one of about three guys left in this country who don't know it yet.
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*sigh* The commission is made up of elected representatives. Saying that some cannot be there because they someshow didn't win when they were elected is all good. You can pretend that everybody in the nation now agrees with you and simply reject having those elected representatives in any sort of conversation.

I'll no longer argue the foolishness of attempting to say you have the only right ideas and rejecting ideas from the other side, except from specific specially selected ones, and you can reap the same reward as did the last group who used that tactic. I fairly warned you. I hope your leadership feels exactly as you do and acts exactly as you state.
 
Damocles said:
*sigh* The commission is made up of elected representatives. Saying that some cannot be there because they someshow didn't win when they were elected is all good. You can pretend that everybody in the nation now agrees with you and simply reject having those elected representatives in any sort of conversation.

I'll no longer argue the foolishness of attempting to say you have the only right ideas and rejecting ideas from the other side, except from specific specially selected ones, and you can reap the same reward as did the last group who used that tactic. I fairly warned you. I hope your leadership feels exactly as you do and acts exactly as you state.
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Damo, you have a head like a coconut.

That's not a personal insult, it's biological, and I'm used to dealing with it, being a heterosexual woman.

But honestly, you've taken it to an art.
 
Right. That's the problem. It isn't that I haven't watched a certain group who recently lost an election attempt to exclude another group who were representing many votes, and then watched the result of it in the previously stated election. It isn't that I would rather see the government do well, even if it means that my group loses elections... It isn't that I don't sometimes realize the mistakes my side makes and then attempt to warn others against making the same mistakes.

It's all because I have a coconut head....

Okay. I'll deal with that.
 
They're waiting for the talking points so they'll know what the plan is. This way they don't have to put themselves out with their own plans for getting the military out of Iraq magically without leaving the nation open to a takeover by extremists.

I offered up a plan for undermining and destroying Islamic Jihad without turning the entire Muslim world into their hands, but Dixie etc ignored it...

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=2061&highlight=how+the+east+was+won
 
I thought America had awaken to the vast wisdom of Liberalism, and wanted Socialist Utopia? You know... tax the rich, feed the poor... pay for all the school and healthcare... these are not "middle" ideas?

Yeah, it would be impossible for an industrialised nation to create healthcare and education for all.....

This is just a utopia that could never exist....

Oh, wait on minute......
 
Hey, I can't help it if retarded people don't comprehend the difference between an opinion and a prediction.

A prediction is an opinion that professes to foresee or 'predict' the future.

If you offered an opinion that attempted to predict the future, it's a prediction.
 
and a college education does not guarantee common sense!...

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein
 
Battleborne said:
My bad...I forgot you like 'pie holes'...and yo mama was trying to set you "STRAIGHT"!
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I don't know who the fuck you really are, but you are about ready to enter the list of the ignored.

Perhaps you could forestall that if you were to begin saying some things that had actual pertinent content. Give it a try.
 
A prediction is an opinion that professes to foresee or 'predict' the future.

Yes, an opinion that professes to foresee.

If you offered an opinion that attempted to predict the future, it's a prediction.

No, if you offer an opinion that professes to foresee the future, it is a prediction. This is where you are getting confused. You seem to think the author's intent is irrelevant, and it is not. If I had made statements professing to foresee or predict the future, it would be a "prediction." I clearly stated before (prefaced) and after (prefixed) the remarks, to indicate I was not predicting or prognosticating, and did not have the ability to do so.

What it boils down to, is a bunch of rock-headed people who think they are smarter than everyone else, trying to impose their own definitions of words onto others. In your myopic explanation, any opinion expressed on what may or may not happen in the future, is not an opinion, but a prediction. This is inaccurate.

Example:

A. I predict the Democrats will not be able to govern from the center.
B. I don't believe Democrats will be able to govern from the center.

In sentence A, a prediction is professed. In sentence B, an opinion is expressed. It is disingenuous over-simplification of the English language, to not be honest enough to recognize this delineation between opinion and prediction.
 
Dixie, if you express an opinion in which you state that you think this, or that, will occur, it is a prediction

In your example...

"A. I predict the Democrats will not be able to govern from the center.
B. I don't believe Democrats will be able to govern from the center. "

B is still a prediction, even if you qualify it with the word 'believe'

You are predicting that, according to your belief, the Dem won't etc etc....
 
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"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein
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It's interesting how you continue to repeat this quote, as if it makes a case against common sense. It's almost as if you think Einstein was criticizing common sense as being the same as prejudice. I don't read the quote the same way, I am sorry. I understand that Einstein is using the word "prejudices" to define experiences, or the cumulative effect of experience combined with wisdom. He is saying that "prejudice" is inherent in all of mankind, and this is not necessarily a bad thing, as many times, it helps to forge our common sense. For you, the word "prejudice" conjures up an automatically negative meaning, when in fact, it is sometimes the opposite. Judges are prejudiced against repeat offenders... this is a good thing. The ACLU is prejudiced against racists... again, a good thing. Your problem is your predefined constraints of word definition, which do not allow you to be open-minded and objective. Along with the simple word, and simple definition, is several other factors, context, inflection, intent. It's much more complicated than simply saying this is black and this is white.
 
Dixie said:
It's interesting how you continue to repeat this quote, as if it makes a case against common sense. It's almost as if you think Einstein was criticizing common sense as being the same as prejudice. I don't read the quote the same way, I am sorry. I understand that Einstein is using the word "prejudices" to define experiences, or the cumulative effect of experience combined with wisdom. He is saying that "prejudice" is inherent in all of mankind, and this is not necessarily a bad thing, as many times, it helps to forge our common sense. For you, the word "prejudice" conjures up an automatically negative meaning, when in fact, it is sometimes the opposite. Judges are prejudiced against repeat offenders... this is a good thing. The ACLU is prejudiced against racists... again, a good thing. Your problem is your predefined constraints of word definition, which do not allow you to be open-minded and objective. Along with the simple word, and simple definition, is several other factors, context, inflection, intent. It's much more complicated than simply saying this is black and this is white.
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Really: "The ACLU is prejudiced against racists... again, a good thing." Is that why they defended the Ku Klux Klan's right to march through black neighborhoods? Is that why they defended the American Nazi Party's right to march through the South Side of Chicago? I think you need to educate yourself about what the ACLU really stands for before writing and posting such tripe. Or better yet, just stick to telling us how "smart" you are!!!
 
AnyOldIron said:
Dixie, if you express an opinion in which you state that you think this, or that, will occur, it is a prediction

In your example...

"A. I predict the Democrats will not be able to govern from the center.
B. I don't believe Democrats will be able to govern from the center. "

B is still a prediction, even if you qualify it with the word 'believe'

You are predicting that, according to your belief, the Dem won't etc etc....
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In a sense, you are right, the second sentence does predict. Opinions are often predictive in nature. However, this is not how a prediction is defined. In order for an opinion to be considered a prediction, it must be articulated or "professed" as a prediction or prognostication. Otherwise, it is merely an opinion which is predictive in nature.
 
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