Florida Governor orders schools to drop standards for academic performance

Walt said:
There is no such thing as "remedial courses" in college.
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Yes there is.
Walt said:
I think you are thinking of high school.
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Contextomy fallacy. It is BECAUSE OF THE FAILURE OF HIGH SCHOOL THAT THESE COURSES EXIST. Pay the fuck attention to the conversation!

Walt said:
There are catching up courses, that are not taught for college credit. The idea is to get the students to a place where they can start taking real college courses.
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They are REMEDIAL COURSES!
Semantics fallacy.
 
Walt said:
Colleges would never call a course remedial, or even have the concept of a remedial course. Remedial is for students who have trouble learning, rather than people who are behind and need to catch up.
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Colleges offer remedial courses to teach the stuff people should have learned in high school. The high school graduated these students anyway..
 
Into the Night said:
Colleges offer remedial courses to teach the stuff people should have learned in high school. The high school graduated these students anyway..
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In America, not all high school graduates are educated to a college level. You can get a college bound high school diploma, or a non-college bound high school diploma.
 
Walt said:
In America, not all high school graduates are educated to a college level. You can get a college bound high school diploma, or a non-college bound high school diploma.
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There are different types of diplomas and requirements...that doesn't mean that anyone who wants to should not be able to go on to college if they want to If that were the case no special needs students would ever be able to attend...and be successful...And some most certainly do...
 
Walt said:
In America, not all high school graduates are educated to a college level. You can get a college bound high school diploma, or a non-college bound high school diploma.
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It's always been that way, even back in the cave man days when *I* was in h.s. Nevertheless, we were still supposed to be able to pass basic college placement exams in math and English.
 
TOP said:
There are different types of diplomas and requirements...that doesn't mean that anyone who wants to should not be able to go on to college if they want to If that were the case no special needs students would ever be able to attend...and be successful...And some most certainly do...
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Nice run on sentence there, "teacher." I bet "your" kids had to take a lot of remedial stuff before they could get into community college. :laugh:
 
TOP said:
There are different types of diplomas and requirements...that doesn't mean that anyone who wants to should not be able to go on to college if they want to If that were the case no special needs students would ever be able to attend...and be successful...And some most certainly do...
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I believe anyone should be allowed to upgrade their education to be ready for college.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It's always been that way, even back in the cave man days when *I* was in h.s. Nevertheless, we were still supposed to be able to pass basic college placement exams in math and English.
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It used to be there was no Algebra requirement to graduate from high school, but there was an Algebra requirement to go to [most] colleges. So one could graduate from high school with a diploma that would not allow immediate access to college. A student with such a high school diploma could take non-college Algebra at a community college.

Now 20 states require Algebra to graduate from high school. That is still a minority of the states.

There is a debate whether high school should be about always preparing students for college or not.
 
Walt said:
I believe anyone should be allowed to upgrade their education to be ready for college.
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That's why college offer courses to do just that... Many colleges provide accommodations for special needs students if necessary....
 
Walt said:
It used to be there was no Algebra requirement to graduate from high school, but there was an Algebra requirement to go to [most] colleges. So one could graduate from high school with a diploma that would not allow immediate access to college. A student with such a high school diploma could take non-college Algebra at a community college.

Now 20 states require Algebra to graduate from high school. That is still a minority of the states.

There is a debate whether high school should be about always preparing students for college or not.
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Not every student will benefit from a college degree...I'm sure you know people with ones that they've never been able to use....
Better to provide life skills (home ec, ind arts, etc)/voc training classes to everyone instead of requiring Algebra..
 
Lionfish said:
Did we all miss your OP when this was passed into law?

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown Signs Law Removing Basic Literacy and Math Skill Requirement for High School Graduates
Standards dropped to accommodate “Oregon’s Black, Latino, Latina, Latinx, Indigenous, Asian, Pacific Islander, Tribal, and students of color.”
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What's True SB 744 extended the temporary suspension of Oregon's Essential Learning Skills prerequisite, meaning that until 2024 at the earliest, high school students do not have to pass standardized tests in several academic skill areas in order to obtain a high school diploma.

What's False SB 744 did not alter or remove the existing and continued requirement, in state law, that Oregonian high school students must obtain at least 24 credits, including in English, mathematics and science classes, in order to get a high school diploma — a less standardized but still substantial form of de facto proof that a given student possesses many of the same basic academic competencies in question.


 
Walt said:
It used to be there was no Algebra requirement to graduate from high school, but there was an Algebra requirement to go to [most] colleges. So one could graduate from high school with a diploma that would not allow immediate access to college. A student with such a high school diploma could take non-college Algebra at a community college.

Now 20 states require Algebra to graduate from high school. That is still a minority of the states.

There is a debate whether high school should be about always preparing students for college or not.
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My h.s. required two years of math to graduate; I do not know if this was a state requirement or the district's, or if a district can have tougher standards than the state. The only math offered below algebra was a general course, so you ended up having to take algebra whether you wanted to or not. I wanted not. lol

They also offered a vo-tech program where kids went to the h.s. half a day and to a training facility the other half. When they graduated they had a good basic education, plus a trade skill so that they could get a job right away, or become an apprentice. That district still ranks in the top ten in Missouri.

This sounds like a good plan, don't you think?
 
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