Here is what I think isgoing on guys

Desh, you actually believe that Democrats just don't lie huh?

I will tell you something. The reason the Repubs have "seen the intelligence" and are supporting war, is the same reason Democrats "saw the intelligence' and voted for the Iraq war resolution.

And it's got nothing to do with any intelligence, which is in short supply.

It's because war is the one truly bipartisan issue. It's because the war pigs who own our politiicans must be fed. It's because United States foreign policy does one thing very well (besides killing); it endures.

Why are you ganging up on desh again?
 
Desh, you actually believe that Democrats just don't lie huh?

I will tell you something. The reason the Repubs have "seen the intelligence" and are supporting war, is the same reason Democrats "saw the intelligence' and voted for the Iraq war resolution.

And it's got nothing to do with any intelligence, which is in short supply.

It's because war is the one truly bipartisan issue. It's because the war pigs who own our politiicans must be fed. It's because United States foreign policy does one thing very well (besides killing); it endures.
to be fair. US INTEL unclassifyed "asessment" does show Assad used the weapons.

Doesn't mean we need to also -but here is the first assessment

U.S. Government Assessment of the Syrian Government’s

Use of Chemical Weapons on August 21, 2013



The United States Government assesses with high confidence that the Syrian government carried
out a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus suburbs on August 21, 2013. We further assess
that the regime used a nerve agent in the attack. These all-source assessments are based on
human, signals, and geospatial intelligence as well as a significant body of open source
reporting.

Our classified assessments have been shared with the U.S. Congress and key
international partners. To protect sources and methods, we cannot publicly release all available
intelligence – but what follows is an unclassified summary of the U.S. Intelligence Community’s
analysis of what took place.



Syrian Government Use of Chemical Weapons on August 21

A large body of independent sources indicates that a chemical weapons attack took place in the
Damascus suburbs on August 21. In addition to U.S. intelligence information, there are accounts
from international and Syrian medical personnel; videos; witness accounts; thousands of social
media reports from at least 12 different locations in the Damascus area; journalist accounts; and
reports from highly credible nongovernmental organizations.

A preliminary U.S. government assessment determined that 1,429 people were killed in the
chemical weapons attack, including at least 426 children, though this assessment will certainly
evolve as we obtain more information.

We assess with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out the chemical weapons
attack against opposition elements in the Damascus suburbs on August 21. We assess that the
scenario in which the opposition executed the attack on August 21 is highly unlikely. The body
of information used to make this assessment includes intelligence pertaining to the regime’s
preparations for this attack and its means of delivery, multiple streams of intelligence about the
attack itself and its effect, our post-attack observations, and the differences between the
capabilities of the regime and the opposition. Our high confidence assessment is the strongest
position that the U.S. Intelligence Community can take short of confirmation. We will continue
to seek additional information to close gaps in our understanding of what took place.








Background:

The Syrian regime maintains a stockpile of numerous chemical agents, including mustard, sarin,
and VX and has thousands of munitions that can be used to deliver chemical warfare agents.

Syrian President Bashar al-Asad is the ultimate decision maker for the chemical weapons
program and members of the program are carefully vetted to ensure security and loyalty. The
Syrian Scientific Studies and Research Center (SSRC) – which is subordinate to the Syrian
Ministry of Defense – manages Syria’s chemical weapons program.

We assess with high confidence that the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons on a small
scale against the opposition multiple times in the last year, including in the Damascus suburbs.
This assessment is based on multiple streams of information including reporting of Syrian
officials planning and executing chemical weapons attacks and laboratory analysis of
physiological samples obtained from a number of individuals, which revealed exposure to sarin.
We assess that the opposition has not used chemical weapons.

The Syrian regime has the types of munitions that we assess were used to carry out the attack on
August 21, and has the ability to strike simultaneously in multiple locations. We have seen no
indication that the opposition has carried out a large-scale, coordinated rocket and artillery attack
like the one that occurred on August 21.

We assess that the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons over the last year primarily to gain
the upper hand or break a stalemate in areas where it has struggled to seize and hold strategically
valuable territory. In this regard, we continue to judge that the Syrian regime views chemical
weapons as one of many tools in its arsenal, including air power and ballistic missiles, which
they indiscriminately use against the opposition.

The Syrian regime has initiated an effort to rid the Damascus suburbs of opposition forces using
the area as a base to stage attacks against regime targets in the capital. The regime has failed to
clear dozens of Damascus neighborhoods of opposition elements, including neighborhoods
targeted on August 21, despite employing nearly all of its conventional weapons systems. We
assess that the regime’s frustration with its inability to secure large portions of Damascus may
have contributed to its decision to use chemical weapons on August 21.






Preparation:

We have intelligence that leads us to assess that Syrian chemical weapons personnel – including
personnel assessed to be associated with the SSRC – were preparing chemical munitions prior to
the attack. In the three days prior to the attack, we collected streams of human, signals and
geospatial intelligence that reveal regime activities that we assess were associated with
preparations for a chemical weapons attack.

Syrian chemical weapons personnel were operating in the Damascus suburb of ‘Adra from
Sunday, August 18 until early in the morning on Wednesday, August 21 near an area that the
regime uses to mix chemical weapons, including sarin. On August 21, a Syrian regime element
prepared for a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus area, including through the utilization
of gas masks. Our intelligence sources in the Damascus area did not detect any indications in the
days prior to the attack that opposition affiliates were planning to use chemical weapons.



The Attack:

Multiple streams of intelligence indicate that the regime executed a rocket and artillery attack
against the Damascus suburbs in the early hours of August 21. Satellite detections corroborate
that attacks from a regime-controlled area struck neighborhoods where the chemical attacks
reportedly occurred – including Kafr Batna, Jawbar, ‘Ayn Tarma, Darayya, and Mu’addamiyah.
This includes the detection of rocket launches from regime controlled territory early in the
morning, approximately 90 minutes before the first report of a chemical attack appeared in social
media. The lack of flight activity or missile launches also leads us to conclude that the regime
used rockets in the attack.

Local social media reports of a chemical attack in the Damascus suburbs began at 2:30 a.m. local
time on August 21. Within the next four hours there were thousands of social media reports on
this attack from at least 12 different locations in the Damascus area. Multiple accounts described
chemical-filled rockets impacting opposition-controlled areas.

Three hospitals in the Damascus area received approximately 3,600 patients displaying
symptoms consistent with nerve agent exposure in less than three hours on the morning of
August 21, according to a highly credible international humanitarian organization. The reported
symptoms, and the epidemiological pattern of events – characterized by the massive influx of
patients in a short period of time, the origin of the patients, and the contamination of medical and
first aid workers – were consistent with mass exposure to a nerve agent. We also received reports
from international and Syrian medical personnel on the ground.




We have identified one hundred videos attributed to the attack, many of which show large
numbers of bodies exhibiting physical signs consistent with, but not unique to, nerve agent
exposure. The reported symptoms of victims included unconsciousness, foaming from the nose
and mouth, constricted pupils, rapid heartbeat, and difficulty breathing. Several of the videos
show what appear to be numerous fatalities with no visible injuries, which is consistent with
death from chemical weapons, and inconsistent with death from small-arms, high-explosive
munitions or blister agents. At least 12 locations are portrayed in the publicly available videos,
and a sampling of those videos confirmed that some were shot at the general times and locations
described in the footage.

We assess the Syrian opposition does not have the capability to fabricate all of the videos,
physical symptoms verified by medical personnel and NGOs, and other information associated
with this chemical attack.

We have a body of information, including past Syrian practice, that leads us to conclude that
regime officials were witting of and directed the attack on August 21. We intercepted
communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive who confirmed
that chemical weapons were used by the regime on August 21 and was concerned with the U.N.
inspectors obtaining evidence. On the afternoon of August 21, we have intelligence that Syrian
chemical weapons personnel were directed to cease operations. At the same time, the regime
intensified the artillery barrage targeting many of the neighborhoods where chemical attacks
occurred. In the 24 hour period after the attack, we detected indications of artillery and rocket
fire at a rate approximately four times higher than the ten preceding days. We continued to see
indications of sustained shelling in the neighborhoods up until the morning of August 26.

To conclude, there is a substantial body of information that implicates the Syrian government’s
responsibility in the chemical weapons attack that took place on August 21. As indicated, there is
additional intelligence that remains classified because of sources and methods concerns that is
being provided to Congress and international partners.
 
This Syrian thing has a whole other level to it.


everyone that looks deeply at the intel is seeing something that makes them change their minds and get off the partisan train.


The world is a complicated place.


There is a duel reason to hit the target in Syria.


there is a confluence of good that will come from being able to take a certain target out.


Even Blustering PooTin is backing off by saying if the right evidence is there he will back it.


There is a duel purpose target.

are you catching on?

Look, there is no reason to complicate it. We have been talking about attacking Syria WITH PROOF since '07. Why ignore history?
These Countries started to make a change where the primary trade for oil is the dinar.

It makes me sick to see people justifying "our war" and discrediting "their war" when it's all because of Corporate Lobbyists and oil. It's extremely basic and no one notices because we all think our political party can do no harm...

 
I think it doesn't matter what anybody says so long as they wear a Democratic colored Jersey Desh will support it. Obama could literally kill an infant and say he didn't "invent" abortion and Desh would talk about how sexy he looked while doing it and how it was only a "late abortion"...

No matter how much we have no vested compelling interest anywhere in Syria we'll be bombing because we had a President in an unscripted moment say where the "red line" would be "for" him...


Regarding the bold, how do you explain Cantor and Boehner supporting the resolution to use force?
 
This Syrian thing has a whole other level to it.


everyone that looks deeply at the intel is seeing something that makes them change their minds and get off the partisan train.


The world is a complicated place.


There is a duel reason to hit the target in Syria.


there is a confluence of good that will come from being able to take a certain target out.


Even Blustering PooTin is backing off by saying if the right evidence is there he will back it.


There is a duel purpose target.

are you catching on?

War, War, War, War.

Girl, you're just ate up with War.
 
Right. War is bipartisan. I think slashing SS has joined war in the one truly bipartisan issue category. They all want to slash our Ss and they all want to feed the war pigs.
expand the empire at all costs, our empire is our hard power influence -it's not working.

China (by and large) uses soft power projection, China's Shaghai Co-operation Council, so much so that Paki is looking to be a full member:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-08/30/c_125278190.htm
Aziz said that political observers were looking towards the SCO for its role in Afghanistan after the U.S. withdrawal when there would be a political and security vacuum in that country.

the world doesn't look to the US for stability anymore; we're not interested in anything that doesn't fit our designs
 
Ass sad did this people


the facts are there.


The world either again turns a blind eye or reacts.


that is our choice
 
When are they against force?


A fair point. But you don't have to go too far back in history to find Republicans that traditionally support military action opposing military action by Democratic presidents. A majority of Republicans opposed the use of force in Kosovo. So I find the notion that Obama, Cantor, Boehner and the rest are supporting military action simply because Obama said something that Damo things was unwise as horseshit.

I mean, there are principled reasons for taking military action in Syria. I just don't agree with them and think the negative consequences (including, most importantly, the death of innocent people) outweigh whatever benefits there are to taking military action.
 
A fair point. But you don't have to go too far back in history to find Republicans that traditionally support military action opposing military action by Democratic presidents. A majority of Republicans opposed the use of force in Kosovo. So I find the notion that Obama, Cantor, Boehner and the rest are supporting military action simply because Obama said something that Damo things was unwise as horseshit.

I mean, there are principled reasons for taking military action in Syria. I just don't agree with them and think the negative consequences (including, most importantly, the death of innocent people) outweigh whatever benefits there are to taking military action.


fair point.


at least you are facing the facts that this happened and Ass sad did it
 
I don't doubt he did it!
Thousands more died from conventional weapons.
Stop jumping over homeless people to spit on fur wearers.
There is enough faux outrage on the left already
 
Ass sad did this people


the facts are there.


The world either again turns a blind eye or reacts.


that is our choice
It looks like the world is turning a blind eye. If you haven't noticed.

The issue is what will the US do? Get into something it shouldn't, or stay away.
 
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