I’m changing my party affiliation

[Althea]

Glad I didn't have a beverage.

trump wins 8% of the black vote, up 2%.

That's like Republicans claiming that under trump, black unemployment fell to the lowest point in decades.

Yep. It dropped 8-10 points under Obama, and about a point or two under trump.

Now you know why trump loves the under educated.

 

[McRocket]

They’re not standing up to the extreme left, an existential threat to society. The most important issue of the day.

Stand up to them?
Libertarianism is about respecting people's right to do what they want - providing it does not directly hurt others.

What do you want them to do to 'stand up to them'?

 

[Flash]

The legal theory exists in law schools.

Elements of that also exist in college courses and in public schools. Issues such as reparations and police violence are common topics. Does discussing those topics mean they were teaching critical race theory? There is no answer.

The things that have gotten many parents (and others) upset is teaching white kids they have "white privilege," or that they are responsible for historical wrongs or that we have never acknowledged those wrongs. Some of the worse examples are requiring those white kids to stand and aknowledge those things.

 

[AProudLefty]

Elements of that also exist in college courses and in public schools. Issues such as reparations and police violence are common topics. Does discussing those topics mean they were teaching critical race theory? There is no answer.

The Civil Rights Act is taught in middle and high schools. Slavery too. Among other things. Nobody has ever had any problem with that.

The things that have gotten many parents (and others) upset is teaching white kids they have "white privilege," or that they are responsible for historical wrongs or that we have never acknowledged those wrongs. Some of the worse examples are requiring those white kids to stand and aknowledge those things.

Now we get to the nexus of the problem. It is what is called a political straw man. Nobody is teaching them that.

I can make a claim that the public schools are teaching the students that they should feel guilty for the Holocaust because of the privilege and we should pay reparations for the Jews. Oddly enough I believe some of those same people would believe it and screech that it has to be stopped being taught in public schools.

 

[McRocket]

Elements of that also exist in college courses and in public schools. Issues such as reparations and police violence are common topics. Does discussing those topics mean they were teaching critical race theory? There is no answer.

The things that have gotten many parents (and others) upset is teaching white kids they have "white privilege," or that they are responsible for historical wrongs or that we have never acknowledged those wrongs. Some of the worse examples are requiring those white kids to stand and aknowledge those things.

None of that is 'teaching'.
That is just 'preaching'.

Schools should NEVER preach (except for basics like murder, rape, etc.)...only teach.
Just teach children facts/terms/skills...nothing more.

Preaching is the parents job (theoretically).

Sadly, schools are taking on FAR more responsibility than they should.

 

[Althea]

Elements of that also exist in college courses and in public schools. Issues such as reparations and police violence are common topics. Does discussing those topics mean they were teaching critical race theory? There is no answer.

The things that have gotten many parents (and others) upset is teaching white kids they have "white privilege," or that they are responsible for historical wrongs or that we have never acknowledged those wrongs. Some of the worse examples are requiring those white kids to stand and aknowledge those things.

That's pretty extreme, and problematic.

Except for the white privilege. That's not even up for debate.

Ever hear of getting pulled over for 'driving while white'?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

What change do you think you see in the Republican party? And why register for any of them? Why not just vote your conscience, vote for the best candidate no matter what letter comes after his/her name?

Fence sitters lack the scrotums that get too uncomfortable while straddling fences.

The individual person running means nothing once we get past the primaries and into the general elections.
The policy means everything.
And the party sets the policy.

Just my point of view and why I'm registered with the clusterfuck known as the Democratic Party.
The other party is much worse. I'd literally prefer to be dead than registered with them.
And belonging to neither is leaving yourself out of the game as reality exists today.

You can't get a pot hole fixed or a street lamp bulb replaced in Boston if you're not a Democrat.
And that's exactly as it should be in the culture as we chose to cultivate it.
Different mindset, perhaps.

 

[AProudLefty]

That's pretty extreme, and problematic.

Except for the white privilege. That's not even up for debate.

Ever hear of getting pulled over for 'driving while white'?

Ever watched "Green Book"? The salient part is where the cop told the driver he was half nigger because he was Italian.

 

[Flash]

The Civil Rights Act is taught in middle and high schools. Slavery too. Among other things. Nobody has ever had any problem with that.

Now we get to the nexus of the problem. It is what is called a political straw man. Nobody is teaching them that.

I can make a claim that the public schools are teaching that we should feel guilty for the Holocaust because of the privilege and we should pay reparations for the Jews. Oddly enough I believe some of those same people would believe it and screech that it has to be stopped being taught in public schools.

Teaching history is not the same as trying to impose certain views on students.

Those examples I gave were being used in American colleges. Exercises in resident hall orientation and course syllabi have required such activities. They were not necessarily trying to teach CRT but they engaged in practices which CRT includes. Teachers can usually teach about anything they want and can include objectionable items that are not part of the curriculum.

 

[anonymoose]

Stand up to them?
Libertarianism is about respecting people's right to do what they want - providing it does not directly hurt others.

What do you want them to do to 'stand up to them'?

Pass laws like the Stop WOKE Act or vote against extremism. Since they don’t get elected they’re in no position to do that.
You didn’t see any from the right attacking these folks:

Armed father-daughter duo march alongside anti-Rittenhouse protesters — to protect them
KENOSHA, Wis. — Protesters upset over the acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse marched in Kenosha on Sunday — in the presence of a Second Amendment-supporting father-daughter duo armed with AR-15s that they said were to protect the demonstrators.
“We just do security for different groups. We’re doing a favor for them,” Erick Jordan, 50, told The Post while walking alongside his 16-year-old daughter, Jade.
https://nypost.com/2021/11/21/armed-father-daughter-duo-seek-to-protect-anti-rittenhouse-protesters/

 

[Flash]

None of that is 'teaching'.
That is just 'preaching'.

Schools should NEVER preach (except for basics like murder, rape, etc.)...only teach.
Just teach children facts/terms/skills...nothing more.

Preaching is the parents job (theoretically).

Sadly, schools are taking on FAR more responsibility than they should.

Agreed. We do not need to tell students what is wrong. If we do our job they can make these conclusions themselves.

 

[Flash]

That's pretty extreme, and problematic.

Except for the white privilege. That's not even up for debate.

Ever hear of getting pulled over for 'driving while white'?

We can teach about prejudice and discrimination, but we do not need to do anything to try to shame students. We don't tell kids that they have white privilege or try to make them acknowledge that. There are much more effective methods to lean these things. Telling some white kid in a single parent home and too poor to afford school lunch that he is privileged is counter productive.

 

[McRocket]

Pass laws like the Stop WOKE Act or vote against extremism. Since they don’t get elected they’re in no position to do that.
You didn’t see any from the right attacking these folks:
Armed father-daughter duo march alongside anti-Rittenhouse protesters — to protect them
KENOSHA, Wis. — Protesters upset over the acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse marched in Kenosha on Sunday — in the presence of a Second Amendment-supporting father-daughter duo armed with AR-15s that they said were to protect the demonstrators.

“We just do security for different groups. We’re doing a favor for them,” Erick Jordan, 50, told The Post while walking alongside his 16-year-old daughter, Jade.
https://nypost.com/2021/11/21/armed-father-daughter-duo-seek-to-protect-anti-rittenhouse-protesters/

1) the Stop Woke Act is nonsense.
Stopping people teaching a 'theory'?
That's crazy.

Now...if the teachers are insisting that the theory is correct?
That is different.

But stopping teachers from simply teaching a 'theory'?
Not even letting them explain what it means?
That is ridiculous.

That is restricting liberties.
No Libertarian should be for that law.

2) no idea what you mean by a 'vote against extremism'.

3) again...what is the problem?
I don't fully understand what your point is there.
But it seems like if the marchers/father/daughter did not break the law?
Who cares?
Freedom of expression.

You don't sound like much of a Libertarian to me.

 

[anonymoose]

I'm an Independent. I usually vote a split ticket, but have been moving away from that more and more because the Democrats as a party are moving Left. Or, do you think that the likes of the "The Squad" could have gotten elected even just 20 years ago?

I hear you loud and clear. I hated the Republican Party right up through about halfway into the Obama administration. Couldn’t stand GWB and McCain. Hated the Tea Party. But I’ve seen dems getting more and more extreme the last six to eight years.

 

[BidenPresident]

We can teach about prejudice and discrimination, but we do not need to do anything to try to shame students. We don't tell kids that they have white privilege or try to make them acknowledge that. There are much more effective methods to lean these things. Telling some white kid in a single parent home and too poor to afford school lunch that he is privileged is counter productive.

Never heard of that being done. Just you right wing racists being racist.

 

[BidenPresident]

I hear you loud and clear. I hated the Republican Party right up through about halfway into the Obama administration. Couldn’t stand GWB and McCain. Hated the Tea Party. But I’ve seen dems getting more and more extreme the last six to eight years.

Yes, and Trump is a moderate.

 

[anonymoose]

1) the Stop Woke Act is nonsense.
Stopping people teaching a 'theory'?
That's crazy.

Now...if the teachers are insisting that the theory is correct?
That is different.

But stopping teachers from simply teaching a 'theory'?
Not even letting them explain what it means?
That is ridiculous.

That is restricting liberties.
No Libertarian should be for that law.

2) no idea what you mean by a 'vote against extremism'.

3) again...what is the problem?
I don't fully understand what your point is there.
But it seems like if the marchers/father/daughter did not break the law?
Who cares?
Freedom of expression.

You don't sound like much of a Libertarian to me.

Problem is there are a LOT of teachers out there that are political extremists . I know one quite well. During the Trayvon Martin thing she actually told her students that black kids wearing hoodies would get shot, therefore don’t wear them if you’re black.

 

[Flash]

Never heard of that being done. Just you right wing racists being racist.

Don't be ignorant. You need to read more. As pointed out by many from both sides calling somebody a racist as a kneejerk reaction to something you don't understand is a poor argument.

 

[BidenPresident]

Don't be ignorant. You need to read more. As pointed out by many from both sides calling somebody a racist as a kneejerk reaction to something you don't understand is a poor argument.

I read more than you. You're just an ideologue.

 

[McRocket]

Problem is there are a LOT of teachers out there that are political extremists . I know one quite well. During the Trayvon Martin thing she actually told her students that black kids wearing hoodies would get shot, therefore don’t wear them if you’re black.

Okay.
Well any teacher that preaches like that should be suspended/fired.

But that is ENTIRELY different from the government saying that a teacher cannot even explain what 'Critical Race Theory' is.