Kasich vs. Sanders would have been such a great campaign

Thing1 said:
I'll save you a little time, PMP. You see, koolaid-drenched hacks like you always make the same rather simplistic mistake. You assume that everyone is a koolaid-drenched hack like you.

I haven't supported the use of our military by Democrats either, and I think Obama in particular has been pretty terrible when it comes to foreign policy.

So, oops! You think you have some sort of equivalency by bringing up those areas of the world, but guess what? You do not, and you're just as trite as those who keep bringing up the "Dem quotes" on WMD's.

No snarky comments or attempts at false comparisons will ever wash the blood off of your hands for Iraq, I'm afraid.
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yet you will continue to vote for them while you pretend your hands are clean.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
????.....you could say we are an empire.......if you are totally clueless to the historical meaning of the word and pretend its only about marketing our culture around the world......
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You have to go back to Rome for such a definition. Since the late Middle Ages, imperialism has been linked to conquest and annexation of foreign lands (whether indigenous or those lands controlled by your rival powers).
 
NOVA said:
Thingy views most historical facts as trite if they don't conform to his cherry-picked narrow version of history.....never sees the big picture...
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More projection from another shameless war apologist.

All we need to know about you is how you want to leave this discussion behind you, because it's "ancient history." At least you understand how wrong you were on some subconscious level.
 
Eno L. Camino said:
You have to go back to Rome for such a definition. Since the late Middle Ages, imperialism has been linked to conquest and annexation of foreign lands (whether indigenous or those lands controlled by your rival powers).
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An Empire is defined as an extensive group of states or countries under a single supreme authority, formerly especially an emperor or empress.
you really gotta stretch a bit to apply that to the US.....but in very loose terms, I'll accept it to some small degree.....



In 1821, Texas was part of Mexico.
Influx of settlers revolted against Mexico and Pres. Santa Anna.
American settlers and Tejanos, or Mexicans who lived in Texas, wanted to
break away from Mexico. (1836-Alamo) captured Santa Anna and for his
freedom, Santa Anna gave Texas its independence.
Texans declared independence and formed the Republic of Texas.
Note. Texas was still not a part of the United States.

Texans elected Sam Houston president of the Republic and voted
to join the United States.
In 1845, James Polk became President and Congress voted to annex Texas.

The United States and Mexico disagreed on the border
between Texas and Mexico. Congress declared war in 1846.
Soldiers fought on three fronts. Americans captured Mexico
City in 1847. In 1848, Mexico signed the Treaty of
Guadalupe Hidalgo. Mexico agreed to the annexation of
Texas and the Rio Grande as the border between Texas and
Mexico. Mexico also gave a large area of land, the Mexican Cession, to the United States.

American Virgin Islands...Purchased from Denmark in 1917

Spain ceded Puerto Rico, along with the Philippines and Guam, then under Spanish sovereignty, to the U.S. under the Treaty of Paris. Spain relinquished sovereignty over Cuba, but did not cede it to the U.S.

Puerto Rico remains a US Territory by choice.
In 1935, the Philippines was granted Commonwealth status.
It became independent on 4 July, 1946 after being liberated from the Japanese...

Before World War II, Guam, American Samoa, and Hawaii were the only inhabited American territories in the Pacific Ocean. Following the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, Guam was captured by the Japanese, and was occupied for thirty months. During the occupation, Guamanians were subjected to culture alignment, forced labor, beheadings, rape, and torture.[6][7][8] Guam endured hostilities when American forces recaptured the island on July 21, 1944; Liberation Day commemorates the victory.
In the 1980s and early 1990s, there was a significant movement in favor of the territory becoming a commonwealth, which would give it a level of self-government similar to Puerto Rico and the Northern Mariana Islands. However, the federal government rejected the version of a commonwealth that the government of Guam proposed, due to it having clauses incompatible with the Territorial Clause (Art. IV, Sec. 3, cl. 2) of the U.S. Constitution. Other movements advocate U.S. statehood for Guam, union with the state of Hawaii, union with the Northern Mariana Islands as a single territory, or independence.

Cuba has never been in US hands and has been sovereign since Spain got out of that country.

History paints a more complete picture ......
 
Thing1 said:
More projection from another shameless war apologist.

All we need to know about you is how you want to leave this discussion behind you, because it's "ancient history." At least you understand how wrong you were on some subconscious level.
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Wrong again.....I don't apologize for conflicts the US saw fit to fight..... except for Vietnam....that waste of American lives caused by LBJ lies does piss me off.

Facts are facts, thingy.....and reality is reality.....you can keep playing the ostrich all you want....it don't bother me nor will it change history
 
NOVA said:
Wrong again.....I don't apologize for conflicts the US saw fit to fight..... except for Vietnam....that waste of American lives caused by LBJ lies does piss me off.

Facts are facts, thingy.....and reality is reality.....you can keep playing the ostrich all you want....it don't bother me nor will it change history
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And the FACT is that Iraq was an unnecessary war, for which MANY died. How can you still try to justify it? Even the leaders of your party now distance themselves from their support of invasion. It was the most boneheaded foreign policy blunder in modern times.

THOSE are the facts. You are a shameless war apologist. That has been your role on JPP since you started posting here. I am not the one w/ my head buried in the sand.
 
Thing1 said:
And the FACT is that Iraq was an unnecessary war, for which MANY died. How can you still try to justify it? Even the leaders of your party now distance themselves from their support of invasion. It was the most boneheaded foreign policy blunder in modern times.

THOSE are the facts. You are a shameless war apologist. That has been your role on JPP since you started posting here. I am not the one w/ my head buried in the sand.
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I guess I just believed all those Democrats warning us about Saddam's WMD all those years before Bush was elected.....and then Congress passed the War Resolution.....

but as M. Albright said about the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children(which was disgusting and totally ignored today).....the ouster of Saddam was worth it, the occupation not.....

 
NOVA said:
Cuba has never been in US hands and has been sovereign since Spain got out of that country.

History paints a more complete picture ......
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At the time, it was assumed that Cuba would become a territory, and most Americans believed it would become a state.
 
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