Kasich vs. Sanders would have been such a great campaign

Vepr 12 said:
Bringing down the House of Saud. Uniting the often turbulent ME under a single banner, which historically produces peace in the region (Assyrians, Persians, Parthians, Turks, etc.).

Of course it wouldn't have lasted. He had two sons.
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they were a couple of fun loving guys..

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NOVA said:
Do I really need to post his quotes on the subject again ? Or Hillary's....or numerous other Democrats railing about the dangers of Saddam and his WMD, pre-war.....

Is that really necessary ?
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And how many times do I need to respond with the Snopes site that puts all those quotes in context and shows that some of them were actually against using military force?

Words of Mass Destruction
 
leaningright said:
Here we go... We haven't even go to the point where Hillary is the nominee and not wanting her is equivalent to "hating on the first female president." Not wanting Hillary as president has little to nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman. But you guys like to make it all about race and misogyny when it suits you.
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To be fair, nobody has ever accused Daesh of being intelligent.
 
Rana said:
At least you admit it, many won't even do that.
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I was always against the Iraq War and have only been strengthened by how disastrous it has become. Obama deserves opprobrium as well for pulling out the troops and allowing Daesh to spring into life. Desh is an appalling unintelligent hack who should be ashamed of herself but appears to have no conscience.
 
Vepr 12 said:
Bringing down the House of Saud. Uniting the often turbulent ME under a single banner, which historically produces peace in the region (Assyrians, Persians, Parthians, Turks, etc.).

Of course it wouldn't have lasted. He had two sons.
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Sounds like you want to create a Caliphate for them.....think it would stop their lust for an even bigger one than just the ME ?
 
NOVA said:
Sounds like you want to create a Caliphate for them.....think it would stop their lust for an even bigger one than just the ME ?
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Yes yes, the eternal boogy man, always out to get you. You're never safe, no matter what you do, the boogy man is coming for you.
 
Thing1 said:
I love how you think those quotes are some kind of trump card.

You will never get it.
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Trump card ?....thats kinda cute......

Those quotes are just undeniable proof of what was being said at the time ....nothing more, nothing less....

They're not conjecture or opinion, they are historical facts, something you don't seem to get and certainly ignore with your entire being.........

face reality, the truth will set you free.....
 
christiefan915 said:
And how many times do I need to respond with the Snopes site that puts all those quotes in context and shows that some of them were actually against using military force?

Words of Mass Destruction
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There is no context that changes what was said....over and over....

I read the Snopes opinion several times and I see no where, even when put in context that changes the views and opinions expressed of Saddam and his WMD ......

In simple terms, these people believed Saddam had WMD, was working on more WMD and was a direct danger to the US and his ME neighbors.....

That is the crux of the matter, not whether they were for or against waging war....that decision was made when they voted on the War Resolution.....lets no mix the two issues.
 
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Vepr 12 said:
Yes yes, the eternal boogy man, always out to get you. You're never safe, no matter what you do, the boogy man is coming for you.
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History shows they had a substantial Caliphate once and that didn't stop them from wanting more......

The only thing that might be called 'eternal' is the killing and warfare within their own ranks, then and now......
 
Rana said:
Maybe, if Bush had been more resolute in letting Saddam know that invading Kuwait was a bad idea in the first place, going after him would not have been necessary.

We were also sold a bill of goods in the build up to that war as well, the incubator babies and that after Kuwait, Saddam was invading Saudi Arabia, all lies.
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Some reading for you Rana.....to put the Kuwait war issue into some historical context....
read the section on 'Background'......there is much to learn.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
 
cawacko said:
Wouldn't that have been war mongering?

That doesn't answer the question I'm trying to understand. How would letting Saddam invade Kuwait and doing nothing about it been better than kicking him out but not taking him out?
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I bump this for you Rana because I'm interested in your opinion
 
NOVA said:
History shows they had a substantial Caliphate once and that didn't stop them from wanting more......

The only thing that might be called 'eternal' is the killing and warfare within their own ranks, then and now......
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Every single empire that has ever been has desired to expand its borders. That's the nature of States, going back to time immemorial.
 
cawacko said:
I bump this for you Rana because I'm interested in your opinion
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Cawacko, I believe that we should have stayed out of the conflict and let the Saudis fight their own battle. The US public was fooled into war once again. I did not support either Gulf Wars.

I was repeating the military analysts whom I have read about the Gulf War not being a success, that stated the mission after math was ill planned, and Bush changed the plan after the Highway of Death. The author also stated that Saddam was not forced to be humbled, was not forced to be contrite once we did liberate Kuwait and therefore, he thought he had brought the United States to concede because we did not remove him and that was what emboldened him to his future actions and boasting of capabilities he didn't have, thumbing his nose at the UN and trying assassinate Bush 41.

Leaving Saddam to other ME countries would have prevented many bad things happening to the USA
 
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