Madison Cawthorn Urges Fellow Conservatives to Leave College: 'I Am Proudly a Dropout

Jarod said:
I think most educated people tend to vote more liberally, but its not due to indoctrination, its the nature of being an educated person, you understand so realities.
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I tend to disagree with that thought. Colleges definitely indoctrinate. They did when I went (and laughed at my professors liberal beliefs) and they do now as I have warned/prepared my son ahead of time for such. It is extremely rare to have a professor present both points of view as fact. It is even more extremely common for a professor to present the liberal POV as gospel.

Also, compare degree areas and how someone votes. Compare those with mathematics/engineering degrees to those with history and/or philosophy and/or liberal arts degrees. I’d bet they have quite different political philosophies and as a result vote very differently. I have several Indian (not Native Americans) friends/acquaintances with degrees in math and engineering and to a person, most vote conservatively in their respective districts and states. Anecdotal, yes, but I have yet to see anything that makes me think differently.
 
guno said:
Madison Cawthorn Urges Fellow Conservatives :


So people who are in college should just leave because a dropout told them to :palm:
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Noted college dropout Madison does not realize nobody is majoring in medicine or law. Those are professional schools which are pursued post-graduation.
 
Cypress said:
Based on his quote, which no conservative to my knowledge has disavowed.

The congressman said drop out of college unless you are studying engineering, medicine, or Law.
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So because no conservative has come out and said, “This guy is stupid for making such a statement” you will attribute what he said to all conservatives?

Originally posted by Cypress

Conservatives envision a world without mathematicians, physicists, historians, oceanographers, philosophers, geneticists, wildlife biologists, architects, archeologists, psychologists, chemists.
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I think the point of his thinking is the indoctrination that most assuredly takes place on college campuses across the nation. I happen to agree that this in inarguably the case. I might disagree that to “drop out of college” is how one deals with it. In fact, I’m living proof of that point of disagreement.
 
leaningright said:
So because no conservative has come out and said, “This guy is stupid for making such a statement” you will attribute what he said to all conservatives?



I think the point of his thinking is the indoctrination that most assuredly takes place on college campuses across the nation. I happen to agree that this in inarguably the case. I might disagree that to “drop out of college” is how one deals with it. In fact, I’m living proof of that point of disagreement.
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I don't know what kind of college you went to, but I did not see any indoctrination in any measurable way when I went to college.

At my University, we spent our class time learning physics, calculus, chemistry, English literature, statistics, history.
 
leaningright said:
I tend to disagree with that thought. Colleges definitely indoctrinate. They did when I went (and laughed at my professors liberal beliefs) and they do now as I have warned/prepared my son ahead of time for such. It is extremely rare to have a professor present both points of view as fact. It is even more extremely common for a professor to present the liberal POV as gospel.

Also, compare degree areas and how someone votes. Compare those with mathematics/engineering degrees to those with history and/or philosophy and/or liberal arts degrees. I’d bet they have quite different political philosophies and as a result vote very differently. I have several Indian (not Native Americans) friends/acquaintances with degrees in math and engineering and to a person, most vote conservatively in their respective districts and states. Anecdotal, yes, but I have yet to see anything that makes me think differently.
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I went to college in Alabama, one of the most conservative states, but that was not my experience.
 
Jarod said:
I went to college in Alabama, one of the most conservative states, but that was not my experience.
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I was hearing from conservatives 40 years ago that universities were supposedly centers of Marxism and indoctrination, so it cannot be claimed that the reason boomers or gen xers didn't see indoctrination is because it's a new thing
 
Cypress said:
I was hearing from conservatives 40 years ago that universities were supposedly centers of Marxism and indoctrination, so it cannot be claimed that the reason boomers or gen xers didn't see indoctrination is because it's a new thing
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Nixon did that, and so did McCarthy.
 
leaningright said:
I tend to disagree with that thought. Colleges definitely indoctrinate. They did when I went (and laughed at my professors liberal beliefs) and they do now as I have warned/prepared my son ahead of time for such. It is extremely rare to have a professor present both points of view as fact. It is even more extremely common for a professor to present the liberal POV as gospel.

Also, compare degree areas and how someone votes. Compare those with mathematics/engineering degrees to those with history and/or philosophy and/or liberal arts degrees. I’d bet they have quite different political philosophies and as a result vote very differently. I have several Indian (not Native Americans) friends/acquaintances with degrees in math and engineering and to a person, most vote conservatively in their respective districts and states. Anecdotal, yes, but I have yet to see anything that makes me think differently.
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leaningright said:
I tend to disagree with that thought. Colleges definitely indoctrinate. They did when I went (and laughed at my professors liberal beliefs) and they do now as I have warned/prepared my son ahead of time for such. It is extremely rare to have a professor present both points of view as fact. It is even more extremely common for a professor to present the liberal POV as gospel.

Also, compare degree areas and how someone votes. Compare those with mathematics/engineering degrees to those with history and/or philosophy and/or liberal arts degrees. I’d bet they have quite different political philosophies and as a result vote very differently. I have several Indian (not Native Americans) friends/acquaintances with degrees in math and engineering and to a person, most vote conservatively in their respective districts and states. Anecdotal, yes, but I have yet to see anything that makes me think differently.
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In a certain sense indoctrination is obviously subjective. It’s probably not surprising that liberals who have liberal professors who share their viewpoints and it’s a “safe space” for them to do so in class don’t see any problems at all.

The issue is that at many universities it’s no longer about being challenged (which is where true growth occurs). In this new more woke environment words equal violence, and therefore differing viewpoints and ideas can be triggers. Whereas as universities used to be about free speech and expressions of ideas, not as much today. There’s an element of fear on campus as professors are afraid to hold open discussions or even challenge students because of the wrath they may face. And students create safe spaces and other environments to protect themselves. To me, not an environment that fosters growth.
 
Jarod said:
Nixon did that, and so did McCarthy.
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I couldn't even tell you the politics of my physics professors, chemistry professors, math professors, and most of the time history and English professors.


Even when I could tell they were conservative or liberal, there was never any sense they were ignoring historical scholarship to just use class time as a soap box
 
cawacko said:
In a certain sense indoctrination is obviously subjective. It’s probably not surprising that liberals who have liberal professors who share their viewpoints and it’s a “safe space” for them to do so in class don’t see any problems at all.

The issue is that at many universities it’s no longer about being challenged (which is where true growth occurs). In this new more woke environment words equal violence, and therefore differing viewpoints and ideas can be triggers. Whereas as universities used to be about free speech and expressions of ideas, not as much today. There’s an element of fear on campus as professors are afraid to hold open discussions or even challenge students because of the wrath they may face. And students create safe spaces and other environments to protect themselves. To me, not an environment that fosters growth.
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Edit: I follow and read about this so it’s on the brain but understandably maybe everyone else doesn’t, but a fair amount of these real changes are more recent. A bunch of old people talking about what college was like in the ‘70’s and ‘80’s isn’t relevant to what’s happening today. They weren’t denying speakers on campus back then like today, they were fighting for free speech - not saying speech is violence and suppressing it. Very different world today.
 
guno said:
In justifying his remarks, the North Carolina Republican pointed to his own homeschooling education.
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... which is a MUCH better education than any college indoctrination center.

guno said:
"If you are not becoming an engineer or a doctor or a lawyer, I highly encourage you to drop out. It's a scam," the congressman said.
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A lot of times it is wasted money, as indoctrination is not an education.

guno said:
The native of Asheville, North Carolina also implored those listening to "try and have a great job, you should be as successful as you possibly can."
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Sounds good to me.

guno said:
Cawthorn spent a single semester at Patrick Henry College in 2017 before dropping out with mostly D grades, according to a deposition obtained by The Washington Post. He was also reportedly rejected from the U.S. Naval Academy.
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So??

My cousin, who got really poor grades in school, is a very intelligent individual. He is quite the handyman and is really good with HVAC repair/maintenance as well as pretty much any appliance. He has no issues with making good money, and he did not go to college. --- A number of my high school classmates, on the other hand, got A's in school but are not very intelligent. College is not everything.
 
cawacko said:
In a certain sense indoctrination is obviously subjective. It’s probably not surprising that liberals who have liberal professors who share their viewpoints and it’s a “safe space” for them to do so in class don’t see any problems at all.

The issue is that at many universities it’s no longer about being challenged (which is where true growth occurs). In this new more woke environment words equal violence, and therefore differing viewpoints and ideas can be triggers. Whereas as universities used to be about free speech and expressions of ideas, not as much today. There’s an element of fear on campus as professors are afraid to hold open discussions or even challenge students because of the wrath they may face. And students create safe spaces and other environments to protect themselves. To me, not an environment that fosters growth.
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Nixon said the same...
 
Jarod said:
Nixon did that, and so did McCarthy.
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Reagan & Co. were infamous for complaining about liberal indoctrination on campus.

Nothing new about this trope

When the tropes about wars on Christmas and gay marriage get old, the rightwing feels they have dust off the trope about Marxist indoctrination at college and trot it out
 
cawacko said:
LOL. Be a better troll Jarod.
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Its been the rhetoric of the right for decades, its tired and tripe and silly. Yes there are a few examples where it happens, but its not the image Fox and friends are portraying. Stupid.
 
Jarod said:
Its been the rhetoric of the right for decades, its tired and tripe and silly. Yes there are a few examples where it happens, but its not the image Fox and friends are portraying. Stupid.
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You have no issue with it, that’s why you say this and use straw men like Fox. It’s funny you call what’s happening silly. Many others don’t find it all that funny at all
 
leaningright said:
I tend to disagree with that thought. Colleges definitely indoctrinate. They did when I went (and laughed at my professors liberal beliefs) and they do now as I have warned/prepared my son ahead of time for such. It is extremely rare to have a professor present both points of view as fact. It is even more extremely common for a professor to present the liberal POV as gospel.

Also, compare degree areas and how someone votes. Compare those with mathematics/engineering degrees to those with history and/or philosophy and/or liberal arts degrees. I’d bet they have quite different political philosophies and as a result vote very differently. I have several Indian (not Native Americans) friends/acquaintances with degrees in math and engineering and to a person, most vote conservatively in their respective districts and states. Anecdotal, yes, but I have yet to see anything that makes me think differently.
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I've always found this topic interesting because my father was a professor who earned tenor so as a kid I hung around his professor buddies. Was reading the other day about statistics showing how much more left leaning professors are today compared to say 30 years ago. There was a break down of the different specialties and some were much more liberal than others but most were left leaning nonetheless. That professors are more left leaning in and of itself doesn't bother me. A professor can be left, or right, leaning and encourage an engaged and diverse perspective in the classroom. Of course that doesn't always happen.

But that we've created an environment on campus where speakers are shut down, and even attacked, because students don't like their perspectives is frightening to me. And school administrators allow this happen. It's like going to a political board where everyone agrees with other. It may feel good to continually pat each other on the back but you're never challenged in such an environment and ultimately you don't experience real growth.
 
cawacko said:
You have no issue with it, that’s why you say this and use straw men like Fox. It’s funny you call what’s happening silly. Many others don’t find it all that funny at all
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My problem with it is the hype Trumppers make out of it.
 
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