Madison Cawthorn Urges Fellow Conservatives to Leave College: 'I Am Proudly a Dropout

Jarod said:
My problem with it is the hype Trumppers make out of it.
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So let the obvious indoctrination of our youth slide right under the radar without calling attention to it?

BTW, this guy in the OP is a nut. I read the thread on the other forum. No denying he’s a nut. But just because he’s a nut doesn’t mean he’s not right about some things. Like I said previously, his advocating not going to or dropping out of college is not the way to deal with the fact there is indoctrination taking place on our college campuses.
 
guno said:
In justifying his remarks, the North Carolina Republican pointed to his own homeschooling education.

"If you are not becoming an engineer or a doctor or a lawyer, I highly encourage you to drop out. It's a scam," the congressman said.

The native of Asheville, North Carolina also implored those listening to "try and have a great job, you should be as successful as you possibly can."

Cawthorn spent a single semester at Patrick Henry College in 2017 before dropping out with mostly D grades, according to a deposition obtained by The Washington Post. He was also reportedly rejected from the U.S. Naval Academy.
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What great advice: "Try and have a great job." Reality wake-up call anecdote, coming right up. My late husband's best friend from childhood owned a small automotive repair shop/gas station. He said that he would not hire someone to run the gas station/convenience store side if they didn't have at least an associates degree, because the h.s.-only ppl couldn't even figure out how to make change or do other simple tasks. That was over 20 years ago. Since then I've heard several other business owners say the same thing.

So where ARE these "great jobs" ppl are supposed to find, with no education or skills beyond high school? Politics, evidently, on the RW side.
 
leaningright said:
So let the obvious indoctrination of our youth slide right under the radar without calling attention to it?

BTW, this guy in the OP is a nut. I read the thread on the other forum. No denying he’s a nut. But just because he’s a nut doesn’t mean he’s not right about some things. Like I said previously, his advocating not going to or dropping out of college is not the way to deal with the fact there is indoctrination taking place on our college campuses.
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What indoctrination?
 
leaningright said:
So let the obvious indoctrination of our youth slide right under the radar without calling attention to it?

BTW, this guy in the OP is a nut. I read the thread on the other forum. No denying he’s a nut. But just because he’s a nut doesn’t mean he’s not right about some things. Like I said previously, his advocating not going to or dropping out of college is not the way to deal with the fact there is indoctrination taking place on our college campuses.
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Jarod offers an interesting take. He claims to think it’s a problem but doesn’t like the fact that people he doesn’t like politically get upset by it. To each his own of course but to me that’s a rather frightening mindset.

What he is ignoring is plenty of “non Trumpers” have spoken out about concerns on campus. Fortunately not everyone views everything in life through a Democratic or Republican lense and recognizes the more chilling effect this is having.

(And yeah, the congressman in the OP is a nut.)
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
What great advice: "Try and have a great job." Reality wake-up call anecdote, coming right up. My late husband's best friend from childhood owned a small automotive repair shop/gas station. He said that he would not hire someone to run the gas station/convenience store side if they didn't have at least an associates degree, because the h.s.-only ppl couldn't even figure out how to make change or do other simple tasks. That was over 20 years ago. Since then I've heard several other business owners say the same thing.

So where ARE these "great jobs" ppl are supposed to find, with no education or skills beyond high school? Politics, evidently, on the RW side.
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That doesn’t speak to highly of our education system in this country if high school grads can’t make change or do basic tasks at a gas station. In fact that’s rather frightening. Without knowing any more info I’d guess there are more variables at play. Because if one makes it through high school without being able to count change I can’t imagine they would learn that in University (or maybe I just don’t want to believe our universities are teaching what kids should be taught in middle school.)
 
katzgar said:
your comment just proves you are a moron, one offs are statistically pointless so obviously you are a meth addicted moron wit no education at all
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Since it's now been established that I'm better educated than you, if I have "no education at all" then that would mean some major deficiencies with that mush between your ears. :rofl2:
 
cawacko said:
That doesn’t speak to highly of our education system in this country if high school grads can’t make change or do basic tasks at a gas station. In fact that’s rather frightening. Without knowing any more info I’d guess there are more variables at play. Because if one makes it through high school without being able to count change I can’t imagine they would learn that in University (or maybe I just don’t want to believe our universities are teaching what kids should be taught in middle school.)
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It IS an indictment of our educational system, isn't it? Kids that ARE bright and educated enough in h.s. to make change and count inventory and other clerical tasks are more likely to go to community college, or trade school, or university. Those who slacked in h.s. are what's left for employers looking for minimum wage employees to choose from. I was laid off from the publishing company where I worked for nine years, in 1999. I applied for countless admin asst type jobs, signed up with temp agencies, etc. One of the first questions I was always asked was did I have a degree. At that point I had taken some college courses but did not have a degree. I could type 100+ wpm, didn't have to use spell check, had years of experience and a track record, knew at least a dozen software programs including Quark, In-Design, Photoshop, Word, Excel, etc. But no degree? No thanks. This is what happens when nearly *everyone* goes to at least community college. Well-qualified but with high school-only employees won't be chosen when there's a large field of less-qualified-but-educated employees to choose from.

I'm glad to see the hiring shortage going on now. Good workers are going to get a chance to get decent jobs whether they have degrees or not.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It IS an indictment of our educational system, isn't it? Kids that ARE bright and educated enough in h.s. to make change and count inventory and other clerical tasks are more likely to go to community college, or trade school, or university. Those who slacked in h.s. are what's left for employers looking for minimum wage employees to choose from. I was laid off from the publishing company where I worked for nine years, in 1999. I applied for countless admin asst type jobs, signed up with temp agencies, etc. One of the first questions I was always asked was did I have a degree. At that point I had taken some college courses but did not have a degree. I could type 100+ wpm, didn't have to use spell check, had years of experience and a track record, knew at least a dozen software programs including Quark, In-Design, Photoshop, Word, Excel, etc. But no degree? No thanks. This is what happens when nearly *everyone* goes to at least community college. Well-qualified but with high school-only employees won't be chosen when there's a large field of less-qualified-but-educated employees to choose from.

I'm glad to see the hiring shortage going on now. Good workers are going to get a chance to get decent jobs whether they have degrees or not.
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After I posted it dawned on me the almost rite of passage of (high school) teenagers getting summer jobs, even if its as basic as working at the corner yogurt store. And even there you have to be able to work a cash register and give change (or at least did until we basically stopped using cash and pay by card for everything now) and these aren't high school graduates. So it's possible I'm out of touch but I find it hard to believe someone would need any sort of college degree to work at a gas station.

But to your point yeah, many positions now require a college degree. I guess I still struggle with that to a degree (no pun intended) in that education level doesn't always equate to intelligence or ability just like you described in your experience. We know diplomas (especially from elite schools) are the ultimate virtue signals (to employers) thus why people take on five and six figures level of debt to get them and parents with money are willing to shell out hundreds of thousands for their children to get them.

But tying in with the theme of this thread, one can take philosophy and history classes etc. in college and on the whole have a better overall book smart knowledge set than someone else. But does that make them more qualified for all jobs than someone who didn't go to college? Seems your story is a perfect example of that not always being the case.
 
leaningright said:
So let the obvious indoctrination of our youth slide right under the radar without calling attention to it?

BTW, this guy in the OP is a nut. I read the thread on the other forum. No denying he’s a nut. But just because he’s a nut doesn’t mean he’s not right about some things. Like I said previously, his advocating not going to or dropping out of college is not the way to deal with the fact there is indoctrination taking place on our college campuses.
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I do not disagree with a single thing in this post, Except maybe the “obvious indoctrination” part, but I’m not sure where you were going with that.
 
guno said:
In justifying his remarks, the North Carolina Republican pointed to his own homeschooling education.

"If you are not becoming an engineer or a doctor or a lawyer, I highly encourage you to drop out. It's a scam," the congressman said.

The native of Asheville, North Carolina also implored those listening to "try and have a great job, you should be as successful as you possibly can."

Cawthorn spent a single semester at Patrick Henry College in 2017 before dropping out with mostly D grades, according to a deposition obtained by The Washington Post. He was also reportedly rejected from the U.S. Naval Academy.



https://www.newsweek.com/madison-ca...es-leave-college-i-am-proudly-dropout-1661932
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College grads will be as smart as you right? They'll think people with penises are women and people with vaginas are men. I'm surprised you idiots haven't mandated college indoctrination. You did for elementary and high school but college YET. You probably figured you've fucked up the kids enough by then huh?
 
Yakuda said:
College grads will be as smart as you right? They'll think people with penises are women and people with vaginas are men. I'm surprised you idiots haven't mandated college indoctrination. You did for elementary and high school but college YET. You probably figured you've fucked up the kids enough by then huh?
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I'm curious... do you have both genitals? It would explain your anger and whining.
 
cawacko said:
After I posted it dawned on me the almost rite of passage of (high school) teenagers getting summer jobs, even if its as basic as working at the corner yogurt store. And even there you have to be able to work a cash register and give change (or at least did until we basically stopped using cash and pay by card for everything now) and these aren't high school graduates. So it's possible I'm out of touch but I find it hard to believe someone would need any sort of college degree to work at a gas station.

But to your point yeah, many positions now require a college degree. I guess I still struggle with that to a degree (no pun intended) in that education level doesn't always equate to intelligence or ability just like you described in your experience. We know diplomas (especially from elite schools) are the ultimate virtue signals (to employers) thus why people take on five and six figures level of debt to get them and parents with money are willing to shell out hundreds of thousands for their children to get them.

But tying in with the theme of this thread, one can take philosophy and history classes etc. in college and on the whole have a better overall book smart knowledge set than someone else. But does that make them more qualified for all jobs than someone who didn't go to college? Seems your story is a perfect example of that not always being the case.
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The current situation is a boon for under-educated employees. For far too long employers have gone with ppl with degrees over those w/o even though the withouts might have a lot more experience and skills. It's time the worm turned.

In the mid-80s I worked for a large defense contractor (McDonnell-Douglas's Harpoon division) as a clerical employee. They gave preferential hiring to veterans, so most of the engineering sector's employees were men who had served 20+ years during either the Korean or VN conflicts, retired from the military, and were hired by McD and given any needed training. Eventually they ran low on such applicants and began to focus instead on hiring new engineering grads. They paid the kids more, promoted them over the older employees, and generally pissed most of the vets off. Then they started shoving the older ones out the door with forced retirement. A group of them banded together, filed an age discrimination lawsuit, and won.
 
BidenPresident said:
Apparently, learning math, English, and critical thinking skills is "indoctrination."
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All the RW whining about "liberal indoctrination" at college makes me just laugh. My profs in the sciences and maths, with one exception, were conservatives. Although it wasn't an everyday topic in class, they didn't try to hide it either. In fact, my chem prof twirled around the lab talking about how she home-schooled her five kids, their favorite Bible verses, what they learned at Sunday school, God gave us chemistry, etc. I suppose I should have been poutraged at being forced to listen to this conservative Xtian indoctrination. :laugh:
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
All the RW whining about "liberal indoctrination" at college makes me just laugh. My profs in the sciences and maths, with one exception, were conservatives. Although it wasn't an everyday topic in class, they didn't try to hide it either. In fact, my chem prof twirled around the lab talking about how she home-schooled her five kids, their favorite Bible verses, what they learned at Sunday school, God gave us chemistry, etc. I suppose I should have been poutraged at being forced to listen to this conservative Xtian indoctrination. :laugh:
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The majority of colleges students are majoring in business. Next is science and engineering. Hotbeds of marxist indoctrination.
 
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