Should the US become a democracy?

[Dutch Uncle]

You think that 30 or more states are going to give up their rights to a small handful of large cities? You need to have your head examined.

38. 34 just to put an Amendment up for a vote. Those who kept yammering about a Convention of States never comprehended the problem. Too much decension for people to arrive at a singular agenda.

Anyone who thinks they can push through a Constitutional Amendment on EC, ERA or anything else on the current agenda is fooling themselves.

https://westportlibrary.libguides.com/amendment

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

You think that 30 or more states are going to give up their rights to a small handful of large cities? You need to have your head examined.

No. But I would like to see a conservative party purged of the freaks that have been breeding in it for 30+ years, culminating with the Trump takeover.

A responsible conservative party is necessary for the system to work. Other countries manage it. Is that too much to hope for in America?

 

[Jack]

Servicing those weapons is a beotch. Better to stick with a "Human wave" strategy. Everyone is taught to shoot in school. At 18, everyone who wants one is issued a weapon and qualified with it. over 150M American voters, figure most National Guards would side with their neighbors and the US military would stand down rather than shoot at Americans. Should be an easy walk to the Governor's mansion and then Washington.

Nothing wrong with weed but only at cost, not gratis.

The reason for the Second Amendment (as everyone learns in Grade School) is the ability to overthrow an oppressive Government.
At this point in time, the Citizens are 'outgunned'. Along with a 'Surveillance State', the Citizens will have a tough time in any 'armed conflict' with the State.
I agree with a mandatory 'Public Service' where everyone is qualified in weapons training.

'Legalized Weed' means you can grow your own. 'Legalized Weed' means Wyatt Earp doesn't kick your door down.

 

[Jack]

Do you think rightys think things through? They read it in Breitbart and Infowars and it is true. It must now be repeated.
I worked on precincts during voting. People want to do a good job.

Yeah. I think so. Have no idea what Anonymoose is talking about. Try to remember Alaska is a 'Legal Cannabis' State. That may explain a lot.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The reason for the Second Amendment (as everyone learns in Grade School) is the ability to overthrow an oppressive Government.
At this point in time, the Citizens are 'outgunned'. Along with a 'Surveillance State', the Citizens will have a tough time in any 'armed conflict' with the State.
I agree with a mandatory 'Public Service' where everyone is qualified in weapons training.

'Legalized Weed' means you can grow your own. 'Legalized Weed' means Wyatt Earp doesn't kick your door down.

You are assuming both the US military and State National Guards would be like Kent State. I disagree with the assumption.

Elsewhere, SYT and I discussed why his militia fantasies wouldn't work since "Freedom Fighters" are supported by the majority of citizens while terrorists had to run and hide like the Tsarnaev brothers. As we've seen recently with Fuckwad Flynn's martial law ideas, the US military isn't going to be involved. National Guards would support their states and, mostly, their Governor. I strongly doubt you'd see a replay of Kent State. There might be incidents, but overall, no.

I support legalizing all drugs. Why should I care if you smoke a little pot or shoot poison into your veins?

The country has changed since Vietnam, Watergate and Kent State:

 

[Jack]

It's the 'Narrative'. No one is going to terrorize a Texas Farm commune, a Religious Group. You have to convince the 'Peace Keepers' that they are 'Baby fuckers'.
How many Americans cheered as they saw the flames consume the Branch Davidian Compound?
If you go there, the only Memorial to the 80 dead men, women, and children is from the Texarkana Militia.

I agree. I have No Problem with people killing themselves, just as long as they don't kill anybody else in the process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_drug_legalization
"Uruguay is one of a few countries that never criminalized the possession of drugs for personal use. Since 1974, the law establishes no quantity limits, leaving it to the judge's discretion to determine whether the intent was personal use.[15]"




"Uruguay is one of a few countries that never criminalized the possession of drugs for personal use. Since 1974, the law establishes no quantity limits, leaving it to the judge's discretion to determine whether the intent was personal use.[15]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_drug_legalization

You are assuming both the US military and State National Guards would be like Kent State. I disagree with the assumption.

Elsewhere, SYT and I discussed why his militia fantasies wouldn't work since "Freedom Fighters" are supported by the majority of citizens while terrorists had to run and hide like the Tsarnaev brothers. As we've seen recently with Fuckwad Flynn's martial law ideas, the US military isn't going to be involved. National Guards would support their states and, mostly, their Governor. I strongly doubt you'd see a replay of Kent State. There might be incidents, but overall, no.

I support legalizing all drugs. Why should I care if you smoke a little pot or shoot poison into your veins?

The country has changed since Vietnam, Watergate and Kent State:

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It's the 'Narrative'. No one is going to terrorize a Texas Farm commune, a Religious Group. You have to convince the 'Peace Keepers' that they are 'Baby fuckers'.
How many Americans cheered as they saw the flames consume the Branch Davidian Compound?
If you go there, the only Memorial to the 80 dead men, women, and children is from the Texarkana Militia.

I agree. I have No Problem with people killing themselves, just as long as they don't kill anybody else in the process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_drug_legalization
"Uruguay is one of a few countries that never criminalized the possession of drugs for personal use. Since 1974, the law establishes no quantity limits, leaving it to the judge's discretion to determine whether the intent was personal use.[15]"

"Uruguay is one of a few countries that never criminalized the possession of drugs for personal use. Since 1974, the law establishes no quantity limits, leaving it to the judge's discretion to determine whether the intent was personal use.[15]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_drug_legalization

Not anyone that I know about. My impression of others, and my own, was that it was a shocking event. Even though most coworkers and friends called it "Wacky Waco" for years, the image of the compound burning with an armored vehicle pushing on the walls was very disturbing.

Worse was the cover-up. The ATF was obviously showboating. They could have picked Koresh up any Saturday (his weekly outing IIRC). Instead, they came in heavy for show and found resistance. It should have been four agents taking him in town for questioning not a half-assed army attacking American men, women and children for nebulous reasons.

The good side of that is there's no one I know who wants to see such an event repeated nor thinks that it would.

 

[Jack]

Not anyone that I know about. My impression of others, and my own, was that it was a shocking event. Even though most coworkers and friends called it "Wacky Waco" for years, the image of the compound burning with an armored vehicle pushing on the walls was very disturbing.

Worse was the cover-up. The ATF was obviously showboating. They could have picked Koresh up any Saturday (his weekly outing IIRC). Instead, they came in heavy for show and found resistance. It should have been four agents taking him in town for questioning not a half-assed army attacking American men, women and children for nebulous reasons.

The good side of that is there's no one I know who wants to see such an event repeated nor thinks that it would.

You're right. Koresh ran every morning down Double EE Road. They could have arrested him on his jog if they wanted to.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You're right. Koresh ran every morning down Double EE Road. They could have arrested him on his jog if they wanted to.

The ATF was putting on a performance for Congress. It was a funding strategy that got a lot of Americans killed.

That caused a deep wound in our nation. It took 9/11 to balance it in the eyes of most Americans. Even so, I strongly doubt any agency wants a repeat.

I watched the series Manhunt: Deadly Games on Netflix and how the Feds fucked him over. Different times that I hope are behind us.

 

[Jack]

The ATF was putting on a performance for Congress. It was a funding strategy that got a lot of Americans killed.

That caused a deep wound in our nation. It took 9/11 to balance it in the eyes of most Americans. Even so, I strongly doubt any agency wants a repeat.

I watched the series Manhunt: Deadly Games on Netflix and how the Feds fucked him over. Different times that I hope are behind us.

That's my understanding. The ATF was after more funding.
I think it took Oklahoma City to make the Federal Government 'aware' of what they had done.

The State needs to take a Blood Oath to never use Military Hardware on American Citizens.

 

[anonymoose]

. Well. I can only speak for myself. I support 'One Man, One Vote' ... which means you only get to have ONE Vote. The only way you can do that is by 'identifying' each Voter so they only vote once. So a Drivers License, a Voters Card, maybe a number tattooed on the arm?

Or an embedded chip that can be scanned at the polling station.

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I think your "I get the distinct impression that Blue Team members consider voter ID requirements to be voter suppression to keep the Black Man down" is a Red Team meme. I'm not sure, but I think they use it like 'Rigged Election' to explain why they lose at the Polls. (?).

Could be. I don't understand how the mind of Red Team members work. They claim it's to prevent voter fraud. I think they lie.
I was only speculating how Blue Team folks think because I don't know. Maybe you can enlighten me. Why are Blues generally against voter ID's (at least here).

 

[Bubba]

Here's the problem I have with pure Democracy: Big cities (New York, Los Angeles etc.) are filled with parasites who make living by pumping out more parasites.

Do you really want those people making decisions for our entire population??

 

[Jack]

Or an embedded chip that can be scanned at the polling station.
Could be. I don't understand how the mind of Red Team members work. They claim it's to prevent voter fraud. I think they lie.
I was only speculating how Blue Team folks think because I don't know. Maybe you can enlighten me. Why are Blues generally against voter ID's (at least here).

Moose: "Or an embedded chip that can be scanned at the polling station."
Jack: There you go. That would work.

Moose: "Maybe you can enlighten me. Why are Blues generally against voter ID's (at least here)."
Jack: Are you sure 'Blue Team' is against Voter ID? You know, 'Voter Fraud' could be committed by ANYONE. (just between me and you, this is like the meme of 'Red Team have small penises'. Other than Earl, CountryBoy, and Legina, I don't think that is true)

 

[RB 60]

Moose: "Or an embedded chip that can be scanned at the polling station."
Jack: There you go. That would work.

Moose: "Maybe you can enlighten me. Why are Blues generally against voter ID's (at least here)."
Jack: Are you sure 'Blue Team' is against Voter ID? You know, 'Voter Fraud' could be committed by ANYONE. (just between me and you, this is like the meme of 'Red Team have small penises'. Other than Earl, CountryBoy, and Legina, I don't think that is true)

Yes, voter fraud can be committed by both sides. Why not have (American citizen ONLY) voter ID and eliminate it altogether?

 

[Jack]

Yes, voter fraud can be committed by both sides. Why not have (American citizen ONLY) voter ID and eliminate it altogether?

Sounds good to me. Can you actually point to the opposition?

 

[canceled.2021.1]

So what happens to those "small states" when the federal government makes a one-size-fits-all policy, regulation, or law that totally screws them because it was tailored to large urbanized states? How does their "irrelevance" to Washington and politicians at the national level translate into something that works for them when that happens? This is particularly common coming from the Left where they see only their own blinkered urban lifestyle as the one everybody should adopt.

Remember when demalquedacrats claimed to believe in minority rights?

Good times

 

[RB 60]

Sounds good to me. Can you actually point to the opposition?

Yep.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...bill-to-fight-voter-id-laws-nationwide-n70989

 

[Jack]

Yep.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...bill-to-fight-voter-id-laws-nationwide-n70989

This is what your Article says:
"The bill, if signed into law, would require states to obtain “preclearance” from the Justice Department in order to make changes to voter laws—a blatant infringement of states’ rights. Why would Democrats want such a law in place? According to House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.), the Voting Rights Advancement Act of 2019, “is a good step to right the wrongs that’ve dismantled the fundamental right to vote through Voter ID laws, purging voter rolls & closing majority-minority polling places.”

Sounds like Red Team is up to No Good ... again.

 

[Jack]

Yep.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...bill-to-fight-voter-id-laws-nationwide-n70989

Doug Collins ...

"It’s obvious what this legislation is really about. Democrats are fighting efforts to ensure the integrity of our elections. “This bill would essentially federalize state and local election laws when there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that those states or localities engaged in any discriminatory behavior when it comes to voting,” said Rep. Doug Collins (R-Ga.). “The Supreme Court has made clear that this type of federal control over state and local elections is unconstitutional, because Congress can only do that when there’s proof of actual discrimination, which is what this bill is supposed to be about,” he added. Collins also believes the problem Democrats claim to want to fix isn’t actually a problem. “Voting rights are protected in this country, including in my own state of Georgia, where Latino and African American voter turnout has soared. Between 2014 and 2018, voter turnout increased by double digits for both men and women in both of these communities.”

 

[RB 60]

This is what your Article says:
"The bill, if signed into law, would require states to obtain “preclearance” from the Justice Department in order to make changes to voter laws—a blatant infringement of states’ rights. Why would Democrats want such a law in place? According to House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.), the Voting Rights Advancement Act of 2019, “is a good step to right the wrongs that’ve dismantled the fundamental right to vote through Voter ID laws, purging voter rolls & closing majority-minority polling places.”

Sounds like Red Team is up to No Good ... again.

From the same article

"The number one target of this legislation is clearly Voter ID laws. Many states passed Voter ID laws during the Obama administration and they were subsequently challenged in the courts. If this law had been in place during the Obama years, Eric Holder or Lorretta Lynch would have had the power to stop states from passing those laws."

"Red Team" doesn't object to Voter ID laws...


Do you?