The Constitution protects Trumps tax returns

[Robo]

Section 6103 Tax code. Treasury officials shall turn over tax returns upon written request of the chair of either tax committees or to employees in joint committees on taxation.
Very clear and simple. sect 7214 says employees not doing their duties face removal from office, 10,000 dollar fine and up to 5 years in jail.
Nixon had to comply and it was found he was cheating to about 3.4 million dollars. Munchkin, I am sure does not want to face that to keep Daffy happy. Not will Rettig go to jail for him.
It is the law.

The law is unconstitutional.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." (Amendment 4, United States Constitution)

 

[Robo]

Trump's college records were protected by Trump lawyers threatening lawsuits if they got out. That is because Trump had great grades, the best ever. Same for high school.
The Dems are releasing their tax records. Every one of them will. The rules just do not apply to Trump.
Obama was magna cum laude at Harvard Law. That is telling you what kind of grades he had.

I personally don't give a rat's ass about Trump's tax returns or the Democrat's tax returns. I simply care about what Trump & the Democrats do related to their government jobs and their oath of office in particular, how about you?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

lib'ruls actually know they will never see Trump's tax returns.......its just that, like Trump's election and the failure of the Mueller Tactic, they simply can't deal with reality......

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Nordberg,

Munchkin has been informed that he could get up to 5 years in jail for stepping in the way of the IRS and Ways and Means. Working for Daffy is dangerous.

Working for Trump is an impossible situation.

Your job is to break the law. If you don't, you get fired.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Nordberg,

Section 6103 Tax code. Treasury officials shall turn over tax returns upon written request of the chair of either tax committees or to employees in joint committees on taxation.
Very clear and simple. sect 7214 says employees not doing their duties face removal from office, 10,000 dollar fine and up to 5 years in jail.
Nixon had to comply and it was found he was cheating to about 3.4 million dollars. Munchkin, I am sure does not want to face that to keep Daffy happy. Not will Rettig go to jail for him.
It is the law.

You are correct in all of this with the exception that Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin deserves to be referred to by his proper name and title. Had you done so, I believe your post would come across with even more credibility. Using a derogatory name only serves to cheapen and weaken your argument. It is an excellent argument which stands on it's own merit and requires no emotional augmentation, which, in my view, actually weakens it.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Nordberg,

We also know that Trump was taken to court twice for tax crimes and lost them both. He was dressed down by the judges who were shocked at how blatant he was. One tax preparer said the form that was in court real and from his company, but the signature was not his. Trump has no respect for the law.

No, I totally did not know that. But I am not surprised in the least. Thanks for sharing this.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Nordberg,

Trump's college records were protected by Trump lawyers threatening lawsuits if they got out. That is because Trump had great grades, the best ever. Same for high school.
The Dems are releasing their tax records. Every one of them will. The rules just do not apply to Trump.
Obama was magna cum laude at Harvard Law. That is telling you what kind of grades he had.

We are left to wonder why President Trump is so afraid of having his record made public. Just who the heck does he think he works for?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Robo,

The law is unconstitutional.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." (Amendment 4, United States Constitution)

Subject to interpretation in specific applications.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Robo,

I personally don't give a rat's ass about Trump's tax returns ...

This is what you say when you want to give him a free pass. It is the same thing Bernie said about Hillary's emails. Did you agree with him?

 

[Evmetro]

Section 6103 Tax code. Treasury officials shall turn over tax returns upon written request of the chair of either tax committees or to employees in joint committees on taxation.
Very clear and simple. sect 7214 says employees not doing their duties face removal from office, 10,000 dollar fine and up to 5 years in jail.
Nixon had to comply and it was found he was cheating to about 3.4 million dollars. Munchkin, I am sure does not want to face that to keep Daffy happy. Not will Rettig go to jail for him.
It is the law.

This is what you are using to justify violating 4th amendment rights. The 4th amendment is still in effect.

 

[Flash]

This is what you are using to justify violating 4th amendment rights. The 4th amendment is still in effect.

The 4th Amendment protects against illegal searches. There is no search when Congress uses its constitutional power to subpoena documents. How is this different from the subpoena for Nixon's tapes?

 

[Evmetro]

The 4th Amendment protects against illegal searches.

...and seizures.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.

You are STILL trying to justify infringing on the 4th. You will fight the meaning of the 4th, and come up with all kinds of reasons why it should be violated, but you are too chickenshit to just admit what every lefty knows deep down inside. Lefties do not give a shit about his 4th amendment rights or ANY of his rights.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Another republicunt who can't read. Apparently Robo's post - right at the top of this thread alleges that the constitution protects drumpfs tax returns.

That means the constitution also protects President Obama's college records and Nancy Pelosi's tax returns.

It also means that drumpf violated the US constitution when he demanded President Obama release his birth certificate.

What is the penalty for violating the US constitution?

You're retarded.

 

[Nordberg]

Due to the founders wishing not to have a despot run America, they were careful to establish checks and balances. The house is charged with keeping the others honest via their investigative power and the power to issue subpoenas. This is simply the house doing their job as the constitution set up. They have the power to obtain anyone's taxes. You can figure out that cheaters will fight to the death to hide theirs. But in the interest of honesty and balance, the house has been given the power to check, That is what is happening. Legal, lawful and acting within their powers.
Truth is rightys also think Trump is a crook and they want him to escape justice. America would be better served by Trumpy's taxes being in the public domain. We would all have proof of what we expect is a fact, Trump is a cheater. Rightys are searching for ways to excuse Trump. The 4th amendment does not work. The house has the power.

 

[Evmetro]

The 4th amendment does not work. The house has the power.

Fuck probable cause, you want to overpower Trump's 4th amendment rights.

 

[Evmetro]

It also means that President Trump violated the US constitution when he demanded President Obama release his birth certificate.

The Constitution says he needs to be born an American citizen, so the document needs to be vetted to verify this. It is not a violation of the Constitution to properly vet candidates, especially when candidates are not even required to run for office.

 

[Flash]

...and seizures.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.

You are STILL trying to justify infringing on the 4th. You will fight the meaning of the 4th, and come up with all kinds of reasons why it should be violated, but you are too chickenshit to just admit what every lefty knows deep down inside. Lefties do not give a shit about his 4th amendment rights or ANY of his rights.

You are distorting the meaning of the Constitution to argue your partisan opposition to submitting Trump's tax returns.

Search and seizure protects against seizing evidence to use in criminal prosecutions. It is not apply to the congressional power to investigate. Congress has the power to make tax policy.

Does it violate the 4th (and 5th) amendment to require Americans to submit their tax return to the IRS? If not, why? The IRS has no constitutional power other than that granted by Congress. If Congress can require us to submit our returns they can use that same power to subpoena an individual's return.

Did it violate Nixon's 4th amendment rights to submit the tapes that were subpoenaed by Congress?

 

[Flash]

Due to the founders wishing not to have a despot run America, they were careful to establish checks and balances. The house is charged with keeping the others honest via their investigative power and the power to issue subpoenas. This is simply the house doing their job as the constitution set up. They have the power to obtain anyone's taxes. You can figure out that cheaters will fight to the death to hide theirs. But in the interest of honesty and balance, the house has been given the power to check, That is what is happening. Legal, lawful and acting within their powers.
Truth is rightys also think Trump is a crook and they want him to escape justice. America would be better served by Trumpy's taxes being in the public domain. We would all have proof of what we expect is a fact, Trump is a cheater. Rightys are searching for ways to excuse Trump. The 4th amendment does not work. The house has the power.

I don't consider that as a check and balance. The power to investigate derives from their need to gather information for the purpose of legislating (although it is often political). Checks and balances refers to one branch checking the power of the other two branches. Investigating for the purpose of legislating comes from their exclusive power to legislate.

If Trump has violated any tax laws, that should be the job of the IRS and executive branch to investigate and prosecute. So far Congress has no reason to believe there are any tax violations and simply want to investigate for political purposes. It does not violate his 4th amendment rights and no probable cause is needed, but has nothing to do with checking tax cheaters lacking any evidence that any exists. It is just for people hoping they will find something negative and doing it because they can. Like dumping illegals in sanctuary cities, it is just being petty.

 

[Evmetro]

You are distorting the meaning of the Constitution to argue your partisan opposition to submitting Trump's tax returns.

Search and seizure protects against seizing evidence to use in criminal prosecutions. It is not apply to the congressional power to investigate. Congress has the power to make tax policy.

Does it violate the 4th (and 5th) amendment to require Americans to submit their tax return to the IRS? If not, why? The IRS has no constitutional power other than that granted by Congress. If Congress can require us to submit our returns they can use that same power to subpoena an individual's return.

Did it violate Nixon's 4th amendment rights to submit the tapes that were subpoenaed by Congress?

Why don't you quote the laws that specify that the government is supposed to use its power to overpower Americans who do not align with certain political ideology? When the government uses its power to overpower Americans via any means necessary, and for the purpose of forcing political gain, it violates his rights. Lefties do a fine job quoting ways to justify violating rights, but no lefty can quote laws that specify that the government MUST use its power to harm the opponents of lefties. Lefties will NEVER be able to see political warfare as "unreasonable searches and seizures," because they think that it is reasonable for this to happen to their political opponents.

 

[Evmetro]

I don't consider that as a check and balance. The power to investigate derives from their need to gather information for the purpose of legislating (although it is often political). Checks and balances refers to one branch checking the power of the other two branches. Investigating for the purpose of legislating comes from their exclusive power to legislate.

If Trump has violated any tax laws, that should be the job of the IRS and executive branch to investigate and prosecute. So far Congress has no reason to believe there are any tax violations and simply want to investigate for political purposes. It does not violate his 4th amendment rights and no probable cause is needed, but has nothing to do with checking tax cheaters lacking any evidence that any exists. It is just for people hoping they will find something negative and doing it because they can. Like dumping illegals in sanctuary cities, it is just being petty.

Well written.