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Superfreak said:
"Trial lawyers protect the rights of the consumer and the worker. And if you did not have them in this society, you would be a slave."

So you are saying that it is bad for corporations to take advantage of people, but okay for trial lawyers to do so? Wow.

While the need for lawyers may certainly exist, do they NEED to fleece the people they are supposedly defending? When they make insane amounts of money, it is ok... but if a corporation does it they are evil?
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They make that money as a percentage of the money they win from their clients, who were harmed by an entity. I am thankful we have them. I know that they are my only protection against nefarious agents who would kill me if it turns a profit quicker. Fear of the trial attorney and outrageous settlements is the only thing that stops them. If the settlements weren't outrageously huge, then they would just be factored into the cost of doing business and would cause no determent.
 
IHateGovernment said:
You know what's fucked up. Honestly I felt worse when Saddam died. Obviously that doesn't make much sense cause as bad is falwell was he is nowhere the monster that Saddam was.

I think it might be because he was executed and I fell worse for people when they are killed than if they die from natural causes. If falwell was executed I'd probably feel bad for him too.
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It is because of that I think. It's hard to watch anybody being brought to their deaths like that.
 
uscitizen said:
Damo expressing sympathy fot the fat guys family is running down the falwell familys faith. Because as Christians they must be overjoyed that Jerry has left this earth filled with liberals and gone to a far better place.
So if Damo is assuming they feel sorrow instead of gladness....
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Mourning is because we miss the person regardless of where they go after death. We miss them because of all the potential moments of time we could have spent with them.

Just because his family will miss him, and will grieve his passing doesn't mean I have "insulted" anybody's faith. This is a fallacy.
 
IHateGovernment said:
You know what's fucked up. Honestly I felt worse when Saddam died. Obviously that doesn't make much sense cause as bad is falwell was he is nowhere the monster that Saddam was.

I think it might be because he was executed and I fell worse for people when they are killed than if they die from natural causes. If falwell was executed I'd probably feel bad for him too.
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A lynching is always more disturbing than someone dying of natural causes. And no doubt, Saddam was lynched. Not that I care- he was a thug.
 
"They make that money as a percentage of the money they win from their clients, who were harmed by an entity. I am thankful we have them. I know that they are my only protection against nefarious agents who would kill me if it turns a profit quicker. Fear of the trial attorney and outrageous settlements is the only thing that stops them. If the settlements weren't outrageously huge, then they would just be factored into the cost of doing business and would cause no determent."

So, if the award is $20 million... it is ok if the lawyer takes 40%. The point Darla is that they do not have to take 40% regardless of the award amount. Why fleece that client. Why not give MORE to the person who actually suffered? I'll tell you why. Because trial lawyers are the scum of this earth. They ream individuals because they know that we have no other recourse. If we want to sue, we have to use them and if they all charge in the same manner.... we are screwed.
 
Damocles said:
Mourning is because we miss the person regardless of where they go after death. We miss them because of all the potential moments of time we could have spent with them.

Just because his family will miss him, and will grieve his passing doesn't mean I have "insulted" anybody's faith. This is a fallacy.
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Virtuially no Christians really have the faith when it comes down to dealing with death. We are still too much animal and not enough cerebral.
I have been to one funeral , the deceased was a pastor and his funeral was actually a celebration of his passage to heaven.
 
Superfreak said:
Darla... I don't think anyone has dictated to you what you can or cannot say, think or feel. No one suggested you had to feel bad for any white republican that dies. We are just pointing out the irony of a open minded liberal rejoicing in the pain/suffering/death of an individual.
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I don't know if giggling equals rejoicing, but ok.

I mean, I'd rejoice if I won the lottery. I don't feel like I won the lottery. It was as if, I heard a good joke. I don't rejoice when I hear a good joke. I laugh.

But let's not nitpick...if it makes you feel good because you find it "ironic" have at it SF. That's due to your misconception of a leftist. You think we all hold hands and sing koombaya or whatever that song is you are always accusing us of singing. You think we are pacifists. That we love everybody and want to give everybody a coke and a smile and stand around holding hands.

You don't know me, if you believe any of that. You are just responding to a stereotype.
 
So, if the award is $20 million... it is ok if the lawyer takes 40%. The point Darla is that they do not have to take 40% regardless of the award amount. Why fleece that client. Why not give MORE to the person who actually suffered?

How did this thread become about Edwards.

The trial lawyer is taking all the risk. He could work for months, and come away with virutally nothing. That's a huge risk. The compensation for taking that risk is neccessarily high. Plus, in the free market that you guys love, the high performers get paid more. I don't think Edwards hardly ever lost a case. That puts a premium price on his service.
 
"If the settlements weren't outrageously huge, then they would just be factored into the cost of doing business and would cause no determent."

LMAO.... and you wonder why healthcare costs are so high? Why drug costs are so high? Why insurance is so high? I am still laughing.... they DO factor it into the cost of business REGARDLESS of the size of the award. Then we end up with ever higher costs that WE have to pay.... then more people cannot afford it... then people like you suggest that the government should pay for it. Funny how that works.

Tell me Darla... did the Tobacco companies stop selling cigarettes because of the billions of dollars lost in the awards against them.... or did they raise the price of tobacco products?
 
Superfreak said:
"They make that money as a percentage of the money they win from their clients, who were harmed by an entity. I am thankful we have them. I know that they are my only protection against nefarious agents who would kill me if it turns a profit quicker. Fear of the trial attorney and outrageous settlements is the only thing that stops them. If the settlements weren't outrageously huge, then they would just be factored into the cost of doing business and would cause no determent."

So, if the award is $20 million... it is ok if the lawyer takes 40%. The point Darla is that they do not have to take 40% regardless of the award amount. Why fleece that client. Why not give MORE to the person who actually suffered? I'll tell you why. Because trial lawyers are the scum of this earth. They ream individuals because they know that we have no other recourse. If we want to sue, we have to use them and if they all charge in the same manner.... we are screwed.
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They are true capitalists, yes. They play supply and demand.

Why does it only bother republicans when trial lawyers play the capitalism game so well? You genuflect at the feet of other succesful capitalists. Most of whom don't help anybody 60% worth of their time and money. What's the problem with the trial lawyer? He's taking his cut, but he's at least getting a cut for someone else too.
 
I've been briefly skimming through this, what does Edwards being a trial lawyer have to do with Mrs. Edwards Cancer and what does that have to do with Jerry Falwell?
 
uscitizen said:
Virtuially no Christians really have the faith when it comes down to dealing with death. We are still too much animal and not enough cerebral.
I have been to one funeral , the deceased was a pastor and his funeral was actually a celebration of his passage to heaven.
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Regardless of the fact that I believed my father would reincarnate, I still mourned the fact that he was no longer in my life when he died. It would be the same with christians. Whether one holds a wake, or a celebration of passing, or a cry as loudly as possible funeral, people will grieve those they miss and know that they won't return in this lifetime.

If I pass before my mother she will grieve even moreso considering she will believe I am going to a hotter place.
 
I think perhaps Falwells Family are trying to hire Edwards to represent Jerry to ST. Peter at the pearly gates. But Mrs Edwards said no ?
 
Superfreak said:
"If the settlements weren't outrageously huge, then they would just be factored into the cost of doing business and would cause no determent."

LMAO.... and you wonder why healthcare costs are so high? Why drug costs are so high? Why insurance is so high? I am still laughing.... they DO factor it into the cost of business REGARDLESS of the size of the award. Then we end up with ever higher costs that WE have to pay.... then more people cannot afford it... then people like you suggest that the government should pay for it. Funny how that works.

Tell me Darla... did the Tobacco companies stop selling cigarettes because of the billions of dollars lost in the awards against them.... or did they raise the price of tobacco products?
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Tobacoo products cost so much for several reasons, one of the biggest is, that they are considered politically easy targets for tax increases. Any politician who needs a few extra bucks in the budget can slap another tax on ciggerettes, because nobody will defend the smoker. The so-called sin tax. But just try and slap one of those on a big mac, even though a big mac costs the tax-payer plenty in the form of heart disease. There are far more fat Americans than there are smokers.

Health care costs are high for many reasons, the least of which is, malpractice settlements, contrary to right wing myth. But SF, if you'd rather live in a country where you can go to a doctor to have your left testicle removed, and he can accidently remove your right testicle, and then you end up with no testicles, then we can certainly find a country like that for you.

The single biggest expenditure of drug companies is advertising. Bigger even than R & D. So what's your point? Should we force them to cut back their ad budgets?
 
LadyT said:
I've been briefly skimming through this, what does Edwards being a trial lawyer have to do with Mrs. Edwards Cancer and what does that have to do with Jerry Falwell?
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One person "laughed" because they hated Falwell, another "laughed" because they hated trial lawyers. One person said that those closest to Falwell must all be pigs because they associated with a pig, another said that Edwards wife must be scum because Edwards is scum.

I think the association is pretty clear there, LadyT
 
"They are true capitalists, yes. They play supply and demand."

Very true.

"Why does it only bother republicans when trial lawyers play the capitalism game so well? "

Probably has something to do with responses like yours. That you think it is necessary to have the trial lawyers and you do not mind that they take advantage of supply and demand.... yet if we were talking about an oil company making 40% profit margins... just how many on the left would have their heads explode trying to spew forth the criminal behavior of the evil evil corps?

"What's the problem with the trial lawyer? He's taking his cut, but he's at least getting a cut for someone else too"

Yes... which is what the corporations tend to do for their shareholders as well.
 
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