We Have To Get Rid Of Trump To Fix The Climate

Havana Moon said:
Bullshit, here are a list of eminent scientists that are climate sceptics. There are many many more, I doubt that you've heard of any of them!
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Absolutely none of them say, "CO2 doesn't do much of anything in the atmosphere." That is 100% you, and you alone.
 
Into the Night said:
You don't get to speak for all the scientists in the world. You only get to speak for you.

Now, let's talk about the science you want to deny.

The first law of thermodynamics states that you cannot create energy out of nothing. Please describe 'greenhouse effect' and where all this extra energy to warm the Earth is coming from.
The 2nd law of thermodynamics states that you cannot make heat flow from cold to hot. Please describe 'greenhouse effect' and how a colder gas like CO2 can warm the already warmer surface.
The Stefan-Boltzmann law states that if temperature increases, radiance must also increase. If radiance decreases, it follows that temperature must also decrease. Please describe 'greenhouse effect' and how it fails to reduce radiance (by blocking infrared light) and increase the temperature at the same time.
The daylit surface of the ISS can approach 250 deg F. There is no CO2, no water vapor, no methane, no appreciable atmosphere of any kind. Here on the surface of Earth, we have an atmosphere, CO2, water vapor, and methane. There is no weather stations anywhere on Earth that has measured a temperature anywhere close to this. If CO2 warms the Earth, why is Earth so much COLDER? Why the paradox?

Describe the 'greenhouse effect' without violating the 1st or 2nd laws of thermodynamics (actual science) or the Stefan-Boltzmann law (actual science).

For reference:
1st law of thermodynamics: E(t)=E(t+1)+U
2nd law of thermodynamics: e(t+1)>-e(t)
Stefan-Boltzmann law: r=C*e*t^4
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Wow, now we have Into the Night claiming that insulation is impossible, because of "thermodynamics". You would think that some scientist would have noticed his great breakthrough before him.
 
Walt said:
Absolutely none of them say, "CO2 doesn't do much of anything in the atmosphere." That is 100% you, and you alone.
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Well you are just being a provocative arsehole, I am a lukewarmer. I believe that the most likely value for ECS is around 0.5-1.5c and somewhere between RCP2.6 and RCP4.5 is the most likely representative concentration pathway. I also fervently hope that when Trump is re-elected he revives the Presidential Committee on Climate Security chaired by Will Happer.

If you really want to know what is going then I recommend that you read this excellent lecture by Prof. Richard Lindzen, it truly sums up the whole situation admirably.

I especially like his description of the popular narrative we hear from the media and politicians incessantly:

Now here is the currently popular narrative concerning this system. The climate, a complex multi-factor system, can be summarised in just one variable, the globally averaged temperature change, and is primarily controlled by the 1-2% perturbation in the energy budget due to a single variable – carbon dioxide – among many variables of comparable importance.

This is an extraordinary pair of claims based on reasoning that borders on magical thinking. It is, however, the narrative that has been widely accepted, even among many sceptics.

He then goes on to describe how he believes the popular narrative originated and debunks the tenuous evidence we are constantly reminded supports the catastrophic narrative.
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I would ask you to read the entire lecture, I believe it supports his concluding summary of the situation:

An implausible conjecture backed by false evidence and repeated incessantly has become politically correct ‘knowledge,’ and is used to promote the overturn of industrial civilization.
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https://www.thegwpf.org/richard-lindzen-global-warming-for-the-two-cultures/
 
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Havana Moon said:
I am a lukewarmer. I believe that the most likely value for ECS is around 0.5-1.5c and somewhere between RCP2.6 and RCP4.5 is the most likely representative concentration pathway.
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Now Havana Moon might be right. It is unlikely, but possible.

Truth Detector and Into the Night are beyond hope. There is no chance they are right. Truth Detector thinks all scientists are wrong about carbon dioxide being a greenhouse gas, and Into the Night thinks that insulation is impossible. They obviously have little education, so think they can outsmart all scientists.
 
Walt said:
Now Havana Moon might be right. It is unlikely, but possible.

Truth Detector and Into the Night are beyond hope. There is no chance they are right. Truth Detector thinks all scientists are wrong about carbon dioxide being a greenhouse gas, and Into the Night thinks that insulation is impossible. They obviously have little education, so think they can outsmart all scientists.
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I think it very likely to be honest, maybe if you read this recent Nature paper you might well agree with me?

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ne-depleting-substances&p=3465813#post3465813
 
Walt said:
Absolutely none of them say, "CO2 doesn't do much of anything in the atmosphere." That is 100% you, and you alone.
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You don't get to speak for all scientists. You can only speak for yourself.

Science isn't scientists.

Describe 'greenhouse effect' without violating the 1st or 2nd laws of thermodynamics or the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
 
Walt said:
Now Havana Moon might be right. It is unlikely, but possible.

Truth Detector and Into the Night are beyond hope. There is no chance they are right. Truth Detector thinks all scientists are wrong about carbon dioxide being a greenhouse gas, and Into the Night thinks that insulation is impossible. They obviously have little education, so think they can outsmart all scientists.
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So you deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
Why do you deny science?
 
We must organize all of humanity toward the challenge which faces us.

We cannot abide leaders who refuse to recognize the problem.
 
Truth Detector said:
I R O N Y!!!! CO2 doesn't do much of anything in the atmosphere. It only amounts to .0314% of the molecules that make up air.

Below is the composition of air in percent by volume, at sea level at 15 C and 101325 Pa.

Nitrogen -- N2 -- 78.084%
Oxygen -- O2 -- 20.9476%
Argon -- Ar -- 0.934%
Carbon Dioxide -- CO2 -- 0.0314%
Neon -- Ne -- 0.001818%
Methane -- CH4 -- 0.0002%
Helium -- He -- 0.000524%
Krypton -- Kr -- 0.000114%
Hydrogen -- H2 -- 0.00005%
Xenon -- Xe -- 0.0000087%
Ozone -- O3 -- 0.000007%
Nitrogen Dioxide -- NO2 -- 0.000002%
Iodine -- I2 -- 0.000001%
Carbon Monoxide -- CO -- trace
Ammonia -- NH3 -- trace

29% of Earth is land mass. Of that 29% humans occupy less than 1% of that area. Of the remaining 28% about 40% is pure wilderness. 14% is true desert and 15% has desert like characteristics. 9% is Antarctica. Most of the remaining 22% are agricultural areas. There may be other areas with a human footprint of some kind.

The notion that man is causing the planet to heat up based on CO2 that amounts to less than 1% of the gas in oxygen can only be believed by morons. :rolleyes:
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Lol, you're a fucking joke. I already explained to you how this is fucking debunked.

Nitrogen, Oxygen and Argon DO NOT ABSORB HEAT FROM THE SUN. CO2 does.

This is 6th-grade science, you unbelievable turd.
 
Jerome said:
Lol, you're a fucking joke. I already explained to you how this is fucking debunked.

Nitrogen, Oxygen and Argon DO NOT ABSORB HEAT FROM THE SUN. CO2 does.

This is 6th-grade science, you unbelievable turd.
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You fucking moron; Carbon Dioxide, CO2, is a trifle 0.0314% of the atmosphere.

You fucking moron; 29% of Earth is land mass. Of that 29% humans occupy less than 2 to 3% of that area. Of the remaining land mass about 40% is pure wilderness. 14% is true desert and 15% has desert like characteristics. 9% is Antarctica. Most of the remaining 22% are agricultural areas.

The notion that man is causing the planet to heat up based on CO2 that amounts to 0.0314% of the gas in oxygen can only be believed by morons. :rolleyes:
 
PoliTalker said:
Hottest Decade.

Lying Trump thinks it's a hoax, pulled out of Paris.

Trump stands in the way of fighting Climate Change.

We are out of time. We can't wait another 4 years before we get serious. The eyes of the world are upon us.

We have to get rid of Trump and get somebody who understands the seriousness of the situation.

The climate is more important than the economy, but there is no reason that fighting climate change has to destroy the economy. We put something like 30% of our economy toward fighting for our survival in WWII. This is actually far more serious than a despot, and we put less than 1% of our economy toward this.

Things have got to change. Big changes. We need a bold leader who recognizes the problem and is prepared to take significant steps.

As far as leaders go, Trump is like candy. Candy is fine but we can't live on candy. We need some protein. We need a leader that knows how to build a future. We can't live on short term feel-good tax cuts and an economy that makes the rich even richer and the government debt greater. Great. The stock market took off. That only benefits the upper half. What's everybody else supposed to do? What's the government supposed to do? The deficit is irresponsibly unmanageable as the richest enjoy deep tax cuts. That is irresponsible. We have to quit believing this myth that we need Trump to have a good economy. We have to understand that if we keep Trump, we doom the world to ever more warming. A climate we can't live in makes money worthless. What good is money if you have no world to spend it in?

This is bigger than getting Supreme Court Justices. Bigger than the economy.

This is life.

This is having a future.

Doesn't anybody care about their grandchildren?

I am amazed so many people are willing to take such risks with the future for their grandchildren.

SMH

Get rid of Trump.
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quit your bullshit.
 
Truth Detector said:
You fucking moron; Carbon Dioxide, CO2, is a trifle 0.0314% of the atmosphere.

You fucking moron; 29% of Earth is land mass. Of that 29% humans occupy less than 2 to 3% of that area. Of the remaining land mass about 40% is pure wilderness. 14% is true desert and 15% has desert like characteristics. 9% is Antarctica. Most of the remaining 22% are agricultural areas.

The notion that man is causing the planet to heat up based on CO2 that amounts to 0.0314% of the gas in oxygen can only be believed by morons. :rolleyes:
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You can repeat those meaningless statistics all you want; the land mass that humans occupy doesn't dictate how much we spew into the air. The NATURE of CO2 is that small increases warm up the planet rapidly. That is inescapable, scientific fact.

Nitrogen, oxygen, and Argon don't trap heat. CO2 does.

Unless you can win a Nobel Prize by proving that clear statement incorrect, you're basically engaging in retard-typing practice.
 
Jerome said:
You can repeat those meaningless statistics all you want; the land mass that humans occupy doesn't dictate how much we spew into the air. The NATURE of CO2 is that small increases warm up the planet rapidly. That is inescapable, scientific fact.
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How are FACTS meaningless you brainless twat?

Jerome said:
Nitrogen, oxygen, and Argon don't trap heat. CO2 does.

Unless you can win a Nobel Prize by proving that clear statement incorrect, you're basically engaging in retard-typing practice.
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CO2 takes up a tiny minuscule portion of the molecules in oxygen you brainless twat. The AGW claims that it is causing global warming are based on stupidity and lies.
 
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