StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Which cultures? I'm pretty sure the people Trump doesn't want to let in are people who do want to come live here.
Why Do Conservatives Hate Immigrants So Much?
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Which cultures? I'm pretty sure the people Trump doesn't want to let in are people who do want to come live here.
Mason Michaels
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Mason Michaels
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No I didn't
The "americanize them" part i took to refer to the melting pot. Living here is not enough. They need to become part of the fabric and this they refuse to do.
Mason Michaels
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That applys to Trumps white trash base too!
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
correct
Now if they happen to be from Somalia I will take an extra hard look at their credentials.
I've had to deal with Somalis and they are not very pleasant folks. Even other Africans I've encountered do not like Somalis.
Same with Samoans especially when it comes to payment for services. I have them pay up front. I get burned virtually every time by them when I don't have them pay beforhand.
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StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Who refuses to? Which people from which culture said they refuse to become American?
I would say the answer is all non-white peoples, since non-white people never become American. But if this isn't about race, then what is it about?
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Fair enough. So do you think Trump is using race in his policies?
The reason I'm curious about this is that I think it's fairly obvious Trump is trying to suck up to white Ethnic Nationalists and that's why so many people like him. Yet the Conservatives here, instead of admitting this, are in complete denial.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
It appears that way.
I think he does but I have to support him in spite of that. He wants to enforce existing immigration laws and he has a plan for Dreamers. There are virtually no republicans that have a spine and dims are for open borders, although they don't come right out and say that. Well, some, uh many, do. E.g., California dims.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
But if you don't care about race, why do you care so much about keeping out illegal immigrants?
I would assume it's about keeping wages from dropping, but if that's the case, you should support Bernie Sanders.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello again gfm7175,
A pleasure.
He calls them rapists with no evidence backing up what he says. He rarely gives any evidence of what he says. He mostly lies.
Glad to hear it.
He claims that the ones who lack the resources and time to apply legally are rapists criminals and druggies. There is no evidence that the delineation is so simple. But simple minded folks are willing to believe it.
That's a myth.
Welfare is in the preamble. It is entirely constitutional.
Completely false. The economy began growing under Obama. The stimulus worked.
Business has government wrapped around it's little finger. Don't kid yourself. The bigger and more powerful the business is, the more influence it has over government. Ever hear of the revolving door? People go back and forth from government to big business both setting policy and then profiting from it.
That tax cut is temporary for all but the rich.
No, the reality is that Democrats have been far better stewards of the budget and debt than Republicans. Clinton created a surplus, urged GWB to pay down the debt, which he ran up instead.
Such indifference to human plight is what is wrong with strait up capitalism.
Non sequitor. I know of no one who argues that all workers should be paid the same wage.
Non sequitor. I know of no one who argues that wealth should be equal.
It is a failure of our economic system if people work full time and don't earn enough to rise above poverty.
Most people in poverty with children had their children when they were children themselves. By the time they are wise enough to realize their mistake, it is too late to correct it. And since they often come from dysfunctional families and generations of poverty, they don't know how to raise their own children to do any different. It is only the remarkable exceptional ones who manage to do that. Government assistance programs have helped MANY rise above the clutches of cross-generational poverty.
...as it should be in a great nation
That is our failing. We need to correct that. We are behind other nations in this. They are greater than the USA in this respect.
Most people pay their taxes without ever having a gun pointed at them. Spare us the dramatizations.
But if he never tried to increase his wealth and simply invested it he would have more. So he is a failure of a businessman. The math doesn't lie.
My apologies. Unintentional. This style of commenting on individual sentences and phrases is time-consuming and cumbersome, which leads to errors. I do try to proof my posts, but mistakes sometimes slip through. You know I respect you and would not try to put words in your mouth.
The vast majority of professional musicians are so underpaid that most of them have day jobs. It is more of a hobby than a job. The pay often doesn't even cover the cost of the equipment.
Thank you for your honest opinion.
Here is part of how the Class War works:
Two individuals of nearly exactly the same qualifications and experience apply for a top position. The one who comes from big money, who has the connections, gets the job. Even if someone manages to get into one of the prestigious schools required for those positions, it is the one who has the family connections to big money who usually gets the job.
Another example of the Class War is usury. 'Oh, we will gladly loan you the money you need to avoid eviction, but we will charge you so much interest you will never be able to save for a down payment."
In my view we already surpassed that figure long ago for the nation and for the world. Seeing as how nobody in power cared, or cares, we are stuck with overcrowding. It is an international race to the bottom. Our nation's power is a direct reflection of our population level. We simply cannot have a competitive military or economy without a competitive population. We close our borders at our own peril. Until there is worldwide refutation of religion, and embracement of common sense and a logical approach to population control, we simply must grow our population in proportion to world population growth.
For most their only infraction is illegal entry. That is a misdemeanor. It is a misnomer to call them criminals or say they are 'bringing crime.'
Bernie may have finally gotten a net worth of over a million dollars but he did it by writing a bestseller, not screwing people. And he has never once said they are evil. He talks about what their policy does to the populace.
As if all illegal entry is done by gang members. Gangs are the reason most immigrants are coming. Gangs that we created with our own drug policy.
You could, but I would counter that I listen to conservatives and try to understand their arguments. It simply occurs to me that liberal arguments make more sense.
That is precisely how I feel about Trump. I don't whine. I simply point out bad policy. I love my country and want to do what is best for America, so Trump has to go.
I always try to avoid that but it slips through anyway. I am only human. I make mistakes. If only Trump could utter those words once in a while...
Wrong. SS is a pyramid system which depends on an ever-increasing population. It could function in a steady state if it were properly managed, but that would require getting the corruption out of government.
Nope. and if you want to go there, our nation depends on an ever-increasing population the way things are set up. We've got $22 trillion in debt. The only way to service that is to have an expanding population. Everything about this nation depends on it. I don't think it has to be that way but I recognize that it is.
A pleasure.
He calls them rapists with no evidence backing up what he says. He rarely gives any evidence of what he says. He mostly lies.
Glad to hear it.
He claims that the ones who lack the resources and time to apply legally are rapists criminals and druggies. There is no evidence that the delineation is so simple. But simple minded folks are willing to believe it.
That's a myth.
Welfare is in the preamble. It is entirely constitutional.
Completely false. The economy began growing under Obama. The stimulus worked.
Business has government wrapped around it's little finger. Don't kid yourself. The bigger and more powerful the business is, the more influence it has over government. Ever hear of the revolving door? People go back and forth from government to big business both setting policy and then profiting from it.
That tax cut is temporary for all but the rich.
No, the reality is that Democrats have been far better stewards of the budget and debt than Republicans. Clinton created a surplus, urged GWB to pay down the debt, which he ran up instead.
Such indifference to human plight is what is wrong with strait up capitalism.
Non sequitor. I know of no one who argues that all workers should be paid the same wage.
Non sequitor. I know of no one who argues that wealth should be equal.
It is a failure of our economic system if people work full time and don't earn enough to rise above poverty.
Most people in poverty with children had their children when they were children themselves. By the time they are wise enough to realize their mistake, it is too late to correct it. And since they often come from dysfunctional families and generations of poverty, they don't know how to raise their own children to do any different. It is only the remarkable exceptional ones who manage to do that. Government assistance programs have helped MANY rise above the clutches of cross-generational poverty.
...as it should be in a great nation
That is our failing. We need to correct that. We are behind other nations in this. They are greater than the USA in this respect.
Most people pay their taxes without ever having a gun pointed at them. Spare us the dramatizations.
But if he never tried to increase his wealth and simply invested it he would have more. So he is a failure of a businessman. The math doesn't lie.
My apologies. Unintentional. This style of commenting on individual sentences and phrases is time-consuming and cumbersome, which leads to errors. I do try to proof my posts, but mistakes sometimes slip through. You know I respect you and would not try to put words in your mouth.
The vast majority of professional musicians are so underpaid that most of them have day jobs. It is more of a hobby than a job. The pay often doesn't even cover the cost of the equipment.
Thank you for your honest opinion.
Here is part of how the Class War works:
Two individuals of nearly exactly the same qualifications and experience apply for a top position. The one who comes from big money, who has the connections, gets the job. Even if someone manages to get into one of the prestigious schools required for those positions, it is the one who has the family connections to big money who usually gets the job.
Another example of the Class War is usury. 'Oh, we will gladly loan you the money you need to avoid eviction, but we will charge you so much interest you will never be able to save for a down payment."
In my view we already surpassed that figure long ago for the nation and for the world. Seeing as how nobody in power cared, or cares, we are stuck with overcrowding. It is an international race to the bottom. Our nation's power is a direct reflection of our population level. We simply cannot have a competitive military or economy without a competitive population. We close our borders at our own peril. Until there is worldwide refutation of religion, and embracement of common sense and a logical approach to population control, we simply must grow our population in proportion to world population growth.
For most their only infraction is illegal entry. That is a misdemeanor. It is a misnomer to call them criminals or say they are 'bringing crime.'
Bernie may have finally gotten a net worth of over a million dollars but he did it by writing a bestseller, not screwing people. And he has never once said they are evil. He talks about what their policy does to the populace.
As if all illegal entry is done by gang members. Gangs are the reason most immigrants are coming. Gangs that we created with our own drug policy.
You could, but I would counter that I listen to conservatives and try to understand their arguments. It simply occurs to me that liberal arguments make more sense.
That is precisely how I feel about Trump. I don't whine. I simply point out bad policy. I love my country and want to do what is best for America, so Trump has to go.
I always try to avoid that but it slips through anyway. I am only human. I make mistakes. If only Trump could utter those words once in a while...
non sequitor.
Wrong. SS is a pyramid system which depends on an ever-increasing population. It could function in a steady state if it were properly managed, but that would require getting the corruption out of government.
Nope. and if you want to go there, our nation depends on an ever-increasing population the way things are set up. We've got $22 trillion in debt. The only way to service that is to have an expanding population. Everything about this nation depends on it. I don't think it has to be that way but I recognize that it is.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
Race and illegal immigrants are two completely different things to me. I already stated how my wife is German and we had to jump thru a lot of hoops for her to get her permanent visa. We had to hire a lawyer. We had to have an interview with INS showing letters, photos, emails sent to each other, etc. just to prove we had a relationship and that I wasn't marrying her only to get her in the country. If my wife doesn't renew her visa her employer sends her home without pay until she gets it validated. This actually happened once when she forgot to renew it. (she's still a German citizen.)
Yet you think it's OK for basket weavers to jump the border or flood the border with their kids and they can stay to collect Medicaid, SNAP and subsidized housing.
You assumed wrong. It's about the rule of law . And our immigration laws are no more strict than most if not all other industrialized countries.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
It's not that I think illegal immigration is ok, it's that if the illegals were white, it wouldn't be that big of a deal to me. If anything, I think your story shows that our immigration laws are way too strict for white immigrants.
I prefer legal immigration, but if some white immigrants came here illegally, eh. It's a deal, but not a big deal.
Now if you don't care about race, why are you so against illegal immigration? Why not be in favor of making legal immigration easier?
Say ? No, you see it in fact and deed.
You prefer to see it as race as it suits your taste but its the culture itself that causes it. It plays the same wherever they go.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
So which cultures exactly? Which ethnic groups do you think haven't assimilated?
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
I'm for making it the same as for whites. Jump thru the same hoops.
I looked into immigrating to Germany 20 yrs ago and it would have been pretty hard if not impossible without marrying a German national.
Merkel did the same thing dims want to do - open borders who couldn't speak a word of the native language yet make it all but impossible for someone from America with a doctorate who passed the German language proficiency exam (a requirement for employment in Germany) yet she welcomed anyone that claimed refugee status. Believe me, that pissed off most Germans, hence the demise of her party and her political career.
But you did point out that basically it's harder for whites to immigrate than other races. Maybe it's because Europeans and those from industrialized countries tend to obey the rule of law.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
No, it's because the Jewish establishment in all of these countries want Whites to become the minority. It's no coincidence that in virtually every Western countries, Jews overwhelmingly support mass immigration.
And yeah, I think what Merkel did was terrible. But keep in mind, all of those immigrants came in legally. Notice how when white ethnicities illegally immigrated to Germany, life pretty much continued as normal. However, when non-white Arabs and Turks legally immigrated, it became a huge problem.
Middle easterners, some asians, some south and central americans, some africans, some baltics to name a few of those more prone.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
Why do you think that?
What white ethnicities immigrated illegally to Germany?
I haven't lived there since the mass muslim migration but the Turks have never fully integrated into German society and they started during WWI when Turkey was part of the Central Powers.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
So basically, people who aren't white.
Except Baltics, but I'm not sure why you included them. Do Baltic-Americans often fight for representation? Demand forms of affirmative action? See racism against them everywhere? Self-segregate themselves from other Americans? It would seem that Americans of Baltic ethnic groups just become white Americans.