Why Most Republicans Don’t Like Higher Education

Flash said:
Whose armies murdered vast numbers in socialist China, Cuba, North Korea, the former Soviet Union? More were murdered by their own leaders than "your" armies.

Again, why don't those workers quit those jobs and join together to produce something useful they don't have to give to their evil bosses? That is exactly what my yard guy has done. He came here from Mexico, worked for landscapers to learn the business, and then started his own business and hires other immigrants to work for him. He now has over 100 customers. Of course, he is probably evil and pays himself more than he pays his workers. He also buys and maintains all his equipment, does all the payroll and taxes, recruits customers, collects the money.
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In the case of the Soviet Union, eighteen capitalist armies attacked, destroying the working class on which the Revolution was based (Lenin had made a wild bet in starting things in a Country where the working class was, if very advanced, also very small). In China the Japanese and the Americans, as you know, though, as in Korea, similarly attacked, this was essentially a peasant, not a socialist revolution. I assure you that state capitalist armies are in no sense 'mine'.

Under capitalist dictatorship such as exists in most countries, the police state prevents most workers from doing anything much: only world revolution will produce any real freedom.
 
Dark Soul said:
Your claims make no sense, as you know.
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I used to argue with Stalinists, and it was very similar to this; having been thoroughly brainwashed they knew certain nonsensical things were entirely true, though they could be quite bright and well-meaning people in themselves. It is the same with fundamentalists. While such groups feel they hold power they believe they can silence everyone else, who, not accepting the brainwashing, of course 'make no sense'.
 
Into the Night said:
Open your eyes sometime. It happens all the time. Whole industries have been created right in the broad light of day.

Capitalists create the machinery. Capitalists install the machinery.

Workers working for a capitalist doesn't change anything.

No, they steal wealth. That's what makes them thieves.

Do you work for free? How do you feed and house yourself? How do you pay for the computer and network you are using? Do you expect companies to give away their products?
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I'm afraid you've been so thoroughly brainwashed you don't understand language: capitalists persuade mugs to do all the work, as even Americans must know. Workers being cheated by capitalists change everything, obviously, because they set up con-men in power. Kook at Trumpf!
 
Into the Night said:
Governments don't produce anything. Communist nations do have the government owning all the factories, but they know nothing about how to run them or about the market they sell to.

Capitalism created civilization. It has lasted for thousands of years, long before McCarthy and his paranoid views.
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What you call communist is like what you call Christian - gangs of capitalist crooks making money out of brainwashed mugs like your goodself.
 
iolo said:
I used to argue with Stalinists, and it was very similar to this; having been thoroughly brainwashed they knew certain nonsensical things were entirely true, though they could be quite bright and well-meaning people in themselves. It is the same with fundamentalists. While such groups feel they hold power they believe they can silence everyone else, who, not accepting the brainwashing, of course 'make no sense'.
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How ironic.
 
Hello Flash,

Flash said:
It also validated my claim that math, science, business and engineering are more conservative than other fields. That is only if we are examining scientists in universities. Outside of academia it is more balanced. For example, only 25% of the members of corporate boards are Democrats. Also, today most students attend middle-level state universities and community colleges which tend to be less liberal (partly due to a higher percentage of older adults).
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'Science' and 'conservative' in the same sentence?

We don't hear that much.

Don't conservatives think science is fake news?
 
iolo said:
We don't agree here, though I follow the argument. In my experience people who care about money do things with it merely to show off - as I say, my experience has made me cynical.
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I don't disagree about showing off--but that is true equally of liberals and conservatives (think Hollywood and NYC). Even showing off can lead to a fuller life. I think you are making generalizations based on partisan bias rather than real evidence. And, in my also cynical experience, these groups become more money oriented with age because they have more money to show off with.
 
iolo said:
In the case of the Soviet Union, eighteen capitalist armies attacked, destroying the working class on which the Revolution was based (Lenin had made a wild bet in starting things in a Country where the working class was, if very advanced, also very small). In China the Japanese and the Americans, as you know, though, as in Korea, similarly attacked, this was essentially a peasant, not a socialist revolution. I assure you that state capitalist armies are in no sense 'mine'.

Under capitalist dictatorship such as exists in most countries, the police state prevents most workers from doing anything much: only world revolution will produce any real freedom.
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World revolution would just produce more tyranny in the name of freedom. There are no capitalist armies controlling the working class in Cuba, China, or N. Korea. These are largely socialist nations with little freedom, poor living conditions, and certainly dictatorships that make capitalist countries look tame.

Which capitalists are controlling your life? I think some personalities are more likely to see themselves as having little control over their lives and governed by outside forces beyond their control. They find that others are dictating their lives--astrology, capitalists, religious forces, world bankers.....
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Flash,

'Science' and 'conservative' in the same sentence?

We don't hear that much.

Don't conservatives think science is fake news?
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As shown in earlier posts, those in science, math, business, and engineering tend to be more conservative than those in other fields. Fields like English, sociology, women's studies tend to be the most liberal and least scientifically oriented in their studies instead using emotion and compassion to based their conclusions.

This generalization applies primarily to academia and it becomes much more diverse in the real world. Scientists outside the university are not as likely to vote Democratic as those in the universities.
 
Hello Flash,

Flash said:
As shown in earlier posts, those in science, math, business, and engineering tend to be more conservative than those in other fields. Fields like English, sociology, women's studies tend to be the most liberal and least scientifically oriented in their studies instead using emotion and compassion to based their conclusions.

This generalization applies primarily to academia and it becomes much more diverse in the real world. Scientists outside the university are not as likely to vote Democratic as those in the universities.
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I don't think scientists are telling us to be concerned about climate change; and then voting conservative.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Flash,

I don't think scientists are telling us to be concerned about climate change; and then voting conservative.
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Maybe the scientists are among the majority of Republicans who do believe in climate change. Believing in climate change does not mean a person necessarily believes the solutions put forth by one party are the right ones.

"More Republicans Than You Think Support Action on Climate Change"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/29/opinion/sunday/republicans-climate-change-polls.html

"A majority of Democrats and Republicans believe the United States should participate in the Paris climate accord and reduce greenhouse gas emissions regardless of what other countries do."

"In March, well before the most destructive wildfires in California history, the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication and the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication polled 1,067 registered voters on climate change. The study found that while they disagree on the cause, majorities in both parties agree that the world is experiencing global warming and call for government action to address it."

"The survey also found that majorities in both parties think the government should fund research into solar and wind energy, offer tax rebates to those buying energy-efficient vehicles and solar panels, and encourage schools to teach children about the causes and consequences of global warming, and potential solutions. A majority of Democrats and Republicans believe the United States should participate in the Paris climate accord and reduce greenhouse gas emissions regardless of what other countries do."

"A study conducted in June by Stanford, ABC News and Resources for the Future uncovered a similar trend. It found that 66 percent of Republicans believe the increase in temperature is “mostly or partly caused by humans.” Another poll, released last month by Monmouth University in New Jersey, found that most Republicans now support action on climate change."

"o be sure, not every poll shows the same thing. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll recently asked people if they believed climate change is “serious” and requires “immediate action.” Only around 15 percent of Republicans said yes compared with 71 percent of Democrats. It’s notable that the poll did not ask, as the Yale study did, for views on specific remedies — which is where the two parties seem to find more common ground."
 
iolo said:
We don't agree here, though I follow the argument. In my experience people who care about money do things with it merely to show off - as I say, my experience has made me cynical.
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So I take it you don't eat and you don't live in an apartment, condo, or house. You must be homeless and using the public library computer.
 
iolo said:
In the case of the Soviet Union, eighteen capitalist armies attacked, destroying the working class on which the Revolution was based (Lenin had made a wild bet in starting things in a Country where the working class was, if very advanced, also very small). In China the Japanese and the Americans, as you know, though, as in Korea, similarly attacked, this was essentially a peasant, not a socialist revolution. I assure you that state capitalist armies are in no sense 'mine'.

Under capitalist dictatorship such as exists in most countries, the police state prevents most workers from doing anything much: only world revolution will produce any real freedom.
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There is no such thing as state capitalism.
 
iolo said:
I'm afraid you've been so thoroughly brainwashed you don't understand language: capitalists persuade mugs to do all the work, as even Americans must know. Workers being cheated by capitalists change everything, obviously, because they set up con-men in power. Kook at Trumpf!
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Nope. If a company doesn't pay its workers enough, it won't have any workers. They will quite and go where they can get better pay. It really is pretty simple.
 
iolo said:
What you call communist is like what you call Christian - gangs of capitalist crooks making money out of brainwashed mugs like your goodself.
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Communism isn't capitalism. Christianity is simply the belief that Jesus Christ exists and He is who He says He is, namely the son of God. No gang needed.
 
iolo said:
He pays them, child, about half of the value of what they produce. How else could you have capitalism? Grow up!
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The level of pay is determined like the price of anything. Price discovery. That's capitalism. If a company doesn't pay it's workers enough, they will leave.
 
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