Why the Electoral College?

[Ralph]

It was designed to placate the slave states so they would enter the union. It is known.http://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/ In the beginning they allowed 5 slaves to = 3 votes. that was also a way to give more power to the slave states but not provide equality to blacks. The Repubs still don't want to let blacks vote.

Strange that the democrats (who were the proponents of slavery) are now charging history with being racist white right wing bigoted slave owners. FYI: the slave industry is still alive and well, the plantations have simply been moved to the inner cities of large liberal cities. Yep....it was the REBUBS that filibustered the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, it was the REBUBS who created JIM CROW, the KKK, and fought against the right of minorities and female citizens to vote and own property...…

READ A DAMN HISTORY BOOK ON OCASSION.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Strange that the democrats (who were the proponents of slavery) are now charging history with being racist white right wing bigoted slave owners. FYI: the slave industry is still alive and well, the plantations have simply been moved to the inner cities of large liberal cities.

It was you fucking American conservative jerk-offs who were proponents of slavery. You assholes were Democrats at that time...and you are Republicans now.

Wake the hell up...and stop pretending it was otherwise.

 

[Teflon Don]

What I said is correct...whether you have the spine to acknowledge that or not.

I repeat:

Every liberal ever elected President...was elected IN SPITE OF the huge advantage the Electoral College gives to conservatives...by giving so much extra weight to the votes of small population states. Every liberal ever elected President...was elected IN SPITE OF the huge disadvantage he worked against by the Electoral College.

Frankie

you are looking at this in the wrong context. The Electoral College is working exactly as intended. It was designed to give smaller states a say in how the country would be run. That you believe it adversely impacts liberals is incidental. These smaller states could just as easily be democrat states.

http://jsphfrtz.com/red-states-and-blue-states/


Look at the link I just provided you Frankie. You will see that some of these small states were once Blue. They weren't always red. This just goes to show that you are just a spoiled brat who assumes your party should be in power and are now stomping your feet because you didn't get your way

You are too old to behave like this Frankie. Grow up bro

 

[Ralph]

It was you fucking American conservative jerk-offs who were proponents of slavery. You assholes were Democrats at that time...and you are Republicans now.

Wake the hell up...and stop pretending it was otherwise.

It was THE DEMOCRATS....correct. But....bam! its magic.....now the democrats are republicans? Do you actually know how many Democrats converted to Republican from the SOUTH? ONE.....1. That's a hell of a conversion...no? One question: What party was represented by a former KKK leader up until as late as 2010? Robert KKK Byrd? Reality: The republicans did not fully take over majority rule of southern politics until well into the 1990s. Why? Because the majority of the industrial jobs moved south. It did not have a damn thing to do with slavery or the color of anyone's skin.


The facts: You are promoting left wing propaganda....a documented and easily debunked MYTH. www.newstalk1130.iheart.com/feature...1-the-myth-of-the-republican-democrat-switch/

When you can't refute the historical facts: Now comes the personal ad hominem attacks? Count on it.

 

[Lightbringer]

Tell ya what...

...offer a link to me ever saying "one man-one vote" ANYWHERE...and I will offer you an apology.

If you cannot do it...AND YOU CANNOT, BECAUSE I HAVE NOT EVER SAID THAT...I will merely call your attention to the fact that you do not have the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge you are wrong and you also are unwilling to apologize for being wrong.




No...I am not. In fact, I specifically say that the way I want it reformed WILL NOT DO THAT...but will merely make the skewing in the direction of low population states less pronounced.

Get your facts right...before all that phony indignation.





I am doing no such fucking thing.

In fact, I will go on record as saying that direct election would be a piss poor idea.

DIRECT ELECTION WOULD BE A PISS POOR IDEA.

I am, however, interested in reforming things so that the skewing toward low population states is not so severe as it is right now. Why don't you read and discuss what I actually write...rather than what you invent...you asshole.



You are an idiot who constantly builds strawmen and then argues against what you have invented.

Grow up...then participate.



You are a fucking moron...in way over your head.

That is what you are.

I'll tell ya what...stop being a fucking moron.

Now...I have to get back into character: kiss my ass white boy!

 

[Ross Dolan]

Frankie

you are looking at this in the wrong context. The Electoral College is working exactly as intended. It was designed to give smaller states a say in how the country would be run. That you believe it adversely impacts liberals is incidental. These smaller states could just as easily be democrat states.

http://jsphfrtz.com/red-states-and-blue-states/


Look at the link I just provided you Frankie. You will see that some of these small states were once Blue. They weren't always red. This just goes to show that you are just a spoiled brat who assumes your party should be in power and are now stomping your feet because you didn't get your way

You are too old to behave like this Frankie. Grow up bro

Don...I agree...the Electoral College is working exactly as intended.

I HAVE NEVER SUGGESTED OTHERWISE.

I am merely saying that I would like to see it "reformed" so that IT NO LONGER WORKS THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED...because that purpose is grossly at odds with the notion of each person having an equal say in the process of choosing governance.

Right now...and for the foreseeable future, the mechanics of the Electoral College WILL FAVOR Republicans over Democrats...or, said another way, favor American conservatives over liberals and moderates.

The less than 600,000 people of Wyoming, for instance, each have 3 electoral votes in the Electoral College. The 40,000,000 people of California have 55. If they were closer to equal representation...they would have over 200.

That is an obscene skewing.

I am not asking for equality...but for a bit less skewing.

If you think that is out of line...fine.

I don't.

 

[Ross Dolan]

It was THE DEMOCRATS....correct. But....bam! its magic.....now the democrats are republicans? Do you actually know how many Democrats converted to Republican from the SOUTH? ONE.....1. That's a hell of a conversion...no? One question: What party was represented by a former KKK leader up until as late as 2010? Robert KKK Byrd? Reality: The republicans did not fully take over majority rule of southern politics until well into the 1990s. Why? Because the majority of the industrial jobs moved south. It did not have a damn thing to do with slavery or the color of anyone's skin.


The facts: You are promoting left wing propaganda....a documented and easily debunked MYTH. www.newstalk1130.iheart.com/feature...1-the-myth-of-the-republican-democrat-switch/

When you can't refute the historical facts: Now comes the personal ad hominem attacks? Count on it.

If you are too stupid to see that the American conservatives of the Civil War times were predominantly Democrats...and that they are now predominantly Republican...you are simply TOO stupid to discuss this issue.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I'll tell ya what...stop being a fucking moron.

Now...I have to get back into character: kiss my ass white boy!

Figured you would not even try.

 

[Lightbringer]

If you are too stupid to see that the American conservatives of the Civil War times were predominantly Democrats...and that they are now predominantly Republican...you are simply TOO stupid to discuss this issue.

Tell it allie! White men are evil and tried to fuck us but it ain't goin' down!

 

[Nordberg]

Strange that the democrats (who were the proponents of slavery) are now charging history with being racist white right wing bigoted slave owners. FYI: the slave industry is still alive and well, the plantations have simply been moved to the inner cities of large liberal cities. Yep....it was the REBUBS that filibustered the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, it was the REBUBS who created JIM CROW, the KKK, and fought against the right of minorities and female citizens to vote and own property...…

READ A DAMN HISTORY BOOK ON OCASSION.

too stupid to reply to.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

too stupid to reply to.

Yet factually accurate.

 

[Nordberg]

why do demmycrats claim they own the black vote?.....

They don't. The rightys make that claim.

 

[Lightbringer]

Figured you would not even try.

Says Frankie who is such a pussy that he won't answer a question asked three times now. You really are a pussy Frank.

Now, back into character: Give me your money honky !!!!!!

 

[Nordberg]

Congrats, you're dumber than Nordberg.

What a dumb baby. Just like Trump. The electoral college should be eliminated.

 

[Lightbringer]

What a dumb baby. Just like Trump. The electoral college should be eliminated.

Oh goody, a dumbfuck checked in.

 

[Teflon Don]

Don...I agree...the Electoral College is working exactly as intended.

I HAVE NEVER SUGGESTED OTHERWISE.

I am merely saying that I would like to see it "reformed" so that IT NO LONGER WORKS THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED...because that purpose is grossly at odds with the notion of each person having an equal say in the process of choosing governance.

Right now...and for the foreseeable future, the mechanics of the Electoral College WILL FAVOR Republicans over Democrats...or, said another way, favor American conservatives over liberals and moderates.

The less than 600,000 people of Wyoming, for instance, each have 3 electoral votes in the Electoral College. The 40,000,000 people of California have 55. If they were closer to equal representation...they would have over 200.

That is an obscene skewing.

I am not asking for equality...but for a bit less skewing.

If you think that is out of line...fine.

I don't.

Like I said, you seem more concerned over outcomes that you don't like than any notion of fairness. Can you honestly say you would be clamoring for this change if Wyoming were a reliably blue state?

You obviously didn't look at the link I gave you. There are no absolutes in politics.

So while in recent years your side seems to be in a political wilderness of sorts, that will not always be so. Instead of trying to change the rules, work on winning over those voters. Or is that too hard for your side?

And lets be clear, your side didn't always think that the EC would favor Republicans. In fact, I recall many JPP liberals crowing that Trump had ZERO chance in the EC. Remember Crooked Hillary's vaunted Blue Wall?

If you think that Hillary Clinton lost the EC because of Wyoming you are deluded.

I'd like to know how? This has been one of the most boring Presidential campaigns ever. It's not even close to the hilarity of the primaries. Both candidates are quite unpopular but one far more so than the other that the one, Clinton, has a dominating lead in the electoral college.

I don't know why they do a popular poll, the only one that matters is the electoral poll and Hillary is still winning the electorate.

LOL Conventional wisdom my ass. The numbers show that Clinton has a substantial lead in the electoral college, and even without including toss up States she's already over 270 EV's. This isn't conventional wisdom. It's simple math.

The electoral map is the only poll that counts.

……I think Hillary gets over 300 electoral votes tomorrow, and that it's a relatively early call…

My prediction is that Clinton will win with 331 EV to Trumps 207 EV. What are your electoral college predictions?

Clinton 386
Trumpf 152

TRUMP 215
CLINTON 320
My prediction, I might change it, but if I don't and get it correct it will be pretty awesome.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Says Frankie who is such a pussy that he won't answer a question asked three times now. You really are a pussy Frank.

Now, back into character: Give me your money honky !!!!!!

YOU are the pussy, Guille.

I answer all questions that a reasonable.

Is there one I missed?

 

[Lightbringer]

YOU are the pussy, Guille.

I answer all questions that a reasonable.

Is there one I missed?

You answer nothing because you're a pussy...like all white people.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Like I said, you seem more concerned over outcomes that you don't like than any notion of fairness. Can you honestly say you would be clamoring for this change if Wyoming were a reliably blue state?

I AM CLAMORING FOR THIS CHANGE...even though Delaware, for instance, IS a reliable blue state!

Wake the fuck up.

You obviously didn't look at the link I gave you. There are no absolutes in politics.

If the link indicates that "there are no absolutes in politics"...it might as well have said, "Sometimes the sun shines and sometimes it is cloudy."

If YOU need confirmation that there are no absolutes in politics...you have serious problems.

So while in recent years your side seems to be in a political wilderness of sorts, that will not always be so. Instead of trying to change the rules, work on winning over those voters. Or is that too hard for your side?

I am an Independent. MY SIDE is always in the wilderness...and will almost certainly never get out of it.

And lets be clear, your side didn't always think that the EC would favor Republicans. In fact, I recall many JPP liberals crowing that Trump had ZERO chance in the EC. Remember Crooked Hillary's vaunted Blue Wall?

ANYONE who suggested the Electoral College favors the Democrats...is a fucking idiot.

Which probably accounts for the fact that the shit-head in the Oval Office asserts that often.

If you think that Hillary Clinton lost the EC because of Wyoming you are deluded.

I don't think she lost the election because of Wyoming...but I do KNOW she lost the election primarily because of the skewing of the Electoral College in favor of Republicans.

She did get 3,000,000 more votes than Trump...BUT TRUMP WON THAT ELECTION FAIR AND SQUARE ACCORDING TO THE RULES THAT PREVAILED.

Okay...take another shot.

Aim this time.

 

[Ross Dolan]

You answer nothing because you're a pussy...like all white people.

I am not a pussy...and I do not dodge any reasonable questions, Asshole.