Will Queers still be allowed to 'Marry' ?

Will Queers still be allowed to 'Marry' ?


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That's a huge difference! Socialists believe people should be allowed to own property, just not the means of production. You were saying that Socialists don't want people owning any property.
Is that so?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_humanity_under_communist_regimes

I fully support walling off Greensboro every year for an annual Nazis/KKK vs the Commies and Socialists Turkey Shoot.

Gear up, boys! $$300 entry fee for participants and $100 PPV fee for those who want to watch on wall-to-wall cameras of the action!!!! All proceeds go to local charities and Americans supporting a Free America.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article237007024.html
Long before the Charlottesville car attack in 2017 and the Charleston church shooting in 2015, there was the Greensboro Massacre.

On Nov. 3, 1979, Klansmen and America Nazis arrived at a “Death to the Klan” protest held by members of the Communist Workers Party at a public housing complex in Greensboro, North Carolina.

Guns were drawn. When the chaos cleared, five anti-Klan demonstrators between the ages of 25 and 36 were dead and at least 10 more were injured, according to historical record.




FWIW, I strongly doubt either of you two keyboard kommandos would ever show up.
 
Oh, FFS! I'm not giving them a pass.


Yes, you are.

Did I not give you the Bush example?


No. You expressed an opinion.



That's another opinion, and the writer doesn't confirm what you claimed.

Here's the full text:

Dan Balz writes in the Washington Post, as many reporters have this week,

In 2004, Republicans used ballot initiatives barring same‐​sex marriage to spur turnout among their conservative voters. That strategy helped then‐​President George W. Bush win reelection.

But did it? I argued in 2006 that it didn’t:

It’s true that states with such initiatives voted for Bush at higher rates than other states, but that’s mostly because the bans were proposed in conservative states. In fact, Bush’s share of the vote rose just slightly less in the marriage‐​ban states than in the other states: up 2.6 percent in the states with marriage bans on the ballot, up 2.9 percent in the other states.

Political scientist Simon Jackman of Stanford has more here (pdf). He concludes that the marriage referenda tended to increase turnout but not to increase Bush’s share of the vote. And in a county‐​by‐​county analysis of Ohio, he found no clear relationship between increased turnout, support for the marriage ban, and increased support for Bush.

Matthew Dowd made the same point yesterday:

Speaking from experience as the chief strategist in 2004 for President Bush, I saw in close detail how little gay marriage could influence turnout of conservatives or evangelicals. In 2003 and 2004, we did a series of public opinion tests on different messages related to the micro targeting project that would cause voter groups to turn out more in President Bush’s favor. We tested social issues as well as messages related to the economy, national security, taxes and the size of the federal government. Not a single social issue (which included gay marriage) fell on the effectiveness scale in the top eight messages.

Further, in analyzing the election returns in the aftermath of the 2004 presidential race an interesting set of data was revealed. In states that had gay marriage amendments on the ballot including key target states, there was no statistical difference in turnout of conservatives from states that did not have these amendments on the ballot. Gay marriage had no effect on turnout even among the most conservative potential voters in both the data before Election Day and the returns on Election Day.

Other senior officials from the 2004 Bush campaign confirm: It wasn’t gay marriage that brought social conservatives to the polls, it was national security and the war on terror.

At any rate, as Balz noted, the politics of gay marriage have changed for sure, in Ohio and elsewhere.


This was your claim:

He relied completely on the culture war with the two main issues being abortion and gay marriage.

So, once more, you have no verifiable evidence to prove your assertion, and it appears that you either didn't read the source opinion article you cited, or didn't understand it, or...you were hoping I wouldn't discover that it doesn't support your argument.
 
That's a huge difference! Socialists believe people should be allowed to own property, just not the means of production. You were saying that Socialists don't want people owning any property.

I don't give a fuck what lunacy those deplorables believe. The means of production is property. Also, socialists clearly don't want people owning any property, because, they always end up controlling it, or worse.
 
That's another opinion, and the writer doesn't confirm what you claimed.

My claim was that Bush used homophobia in his reelection campaign. The writer is saying that's not what brought people to vote for Bush, but is still acknowledging Bush's anti-gay strategy. So Balz is agreeing with me.
 
I don't give a fuck what lunacy those deplorables believe. The means of production is property. Also, socialists clearly don't want people owning any property, because, they always end up controlling it, or worse.

The means of production is a form of property. Socialists believe people should be allowed to own property, except for this one specific type of property.

And no, the Soviets and Maoists still weren't Socialists.
 
My claim was that Bush used homophobia in his reelection campaign. The writer is saying that's not what brought people to vote for Bush, but is still acknowledging Bush's anti-gay strategy. Balz is agreeing with me.

This was your claim:

He relied completely on the culture war with the two main issues being abortion and gay marriage.

The writer is saying that's not what brought people to vote for Bush, but is still acknowledging Bush's anti-gay strategy. Balz is agreeing with me.

"Balz" is cited in the article you attempted to pass of as "evidence" for your claim that "Bush relied completely on the culture war with the two main issues being abortion and gay marriage" saying "In 2004, Republicans used ballot initiatives barring same‐​sex marriage to spur turnout among their conservative voters. That strategy helped then‐​President George W. Bush win reelection."

Do you understand the difference between your claim that "Bush relied completely on the culture war with the two main issues being abortion and gay marriage" is a fact, and the opinion of "Balz, who said, "That strategy helped then‐​President George W. Bush win reelection"?

The author of the the article you attempted to pass of as "evidence" for your claim that "Bush relied completely on the culture war with the two main issues being abortion and gay marriage" plainly states "Bush’s share of the vote rose just slightly less in the marriage‐​ban states than in the other states: up 2.6 percent in the states with marriage bans on the ballot, up 2.9 percent in the other states."

Additional, he cites Simon Jackman, who concluded, "the marriage referenda tended to increase turnout but not to increase Bush’s share of the vote", and quotes Matthew Dowd, who said, "Speaking from experience as the chief strategist in 2004 for President Bush, I saw in close detail how little gay marriage could influence turnout of conservatives or evangelicals. In 2003 and 2004, we did a series of public opinion tests on different messages related to the micro targeting project that would cause voter groups to turn out more in President Bush’s favor. We tested social issues as well as messages related to the economy, national security, taxes and the size of the federal government. Not a single social issue (which included gay marriage) fell on the effectiveness scale in the top eight messages. Further, in analyzing the election returns in the aftermath of the 2004 presidential race an interesting set of data was revealed. In states that had gay marriage amendments on the ballot including key target states, there was no statistical difference in turnout of conservatives from states that did not have these amendments on the ballot. Gay marriage had no effect on turnout even among the most conservative potential voters in both the data before Election Day and the returns on Election Day."

The article concludes with "Other senior officials from the 2004 Bush campaign confirm: It wasn’t gay marriage that brought social conservatives to the polls, it was national security and the war on terror."

Your claim is unproven.
 
Your claim is unproven.
Is it?

Are these friends of yours?
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The means of production is a form of property. Socialists believe people should be allowed to own property, except for this one specific type of property.

And no, the Soviets and Maoists still weren't Socialists.

They controlled the means of production, which fits the socialists' own insufficient definition of property. Again, in practice, socialists do not support property rights.
 
This was your claim:





"Balz" is cited in the article you attempted to pass of as "evidence" for your claim that "Bush relied completely on the culture war with the two main issues being abortion and gay marriage" saying "In 2004, Republicans used ballot initiatives barring same‐​sex marriage to spur turnout among their conservative voters. That strategy helped then‐​President George W. Bush win reelection."

Do you understand the difference between your claim that "Bush relied completely on the culture war with the two main issues being abortion and gay marriage" is a fact, and the opinion of "Balz, who said, "That strategy helped then‐​President George W. Bush win reelection"?

The author of the the article you attempted to pass of as "evidence" for your claim that "Bush relied completely on the culture war with the two main issues being abortion and gay marriage" plainly states "Bush’s share of the vote rose just slightly less in the marriage‐​ban states than in the other states: up 2.6 percent in the states with marriage bans on the ballot, up 2.9 percent in the other states."

Additional, he cites Simon Jackman, who concluded, "the marriage referenda tended to increase turnout but not to increase Bush’s share of the vote", and quotes Matthew Dowd, who said, "Speaking from experience as the chief strategist in 2004 for President Bush, I saw in close detail how little gay marriage could influence turnout of conservatives or evangelicals. In 2003 and 2004, we did a series of public opinion tests on different messages related to the micro targeting project that would cause voter groups to turn out more in President Bush’s favor. We tested social issues as well as messages related to the economy, national security, taxes and the size of the federal government. Not a single social issue (which included gay marriage) fell on the effectiveness scale in the top eight messages. Further, in analyzing the election returns in the aftermath of the 2004 presidential race an interesting set of data was revealed. In states that had gay marriage amendments on the ballot including key target states, there was no statistical difference in turnout of conservatives from states that did not have these amendments on the ballot. Gay marriage had no effect on turnout even among the most conservative potential voters in both the data before Election Day and the returns on Election Day."

The article concludes with "Other senior officials from the 2004 Bush campaign confirm: It wasn’t gay marriage that brought social conservatives to the polls, it was national security and the war on terror."

Your claim is unproven.

#deflection

The author agreed with my point that Bush used homophobia in his campaign. You won't address this point because you can't stand being proven wrong. :laugh:
 
They controlled the means of production, which fits the socialists' own insufficient definition of property. Again, in practice, socialists do not support property rights.

Nope, Socialism is not the government controlling the means of production. It's collective ownership of the means of production. What countries like China had was much more similar to State Capitalism.
 
Nope, Socialism is not the government controlling the means of production. It's collective ownership of the means of production. What countries like China had was much more similar to State Capitalism.

Which is precisely why it doesn't work above the village/tribal level.
 
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