Biden Said, "Come Get Them"; Trump Said, "Go Fuck Yourself"

[TOP]

Morning, TOP.

Great game.

I knew K.C. would win when S.F left too much time on the clock in the OT.

We had great food and company...I had little time to actually pay attention to the game...I even missed Travis being the cool, professional dude that he is...I need to look for that clip...I told them to call me if he proposed, and Taylor endorsed Poor Joe...I guess he was too busy fuming...
(Great athlete or not, I am not a Mahomes or KC fan. It's a rule here...lol...)

 

[TOP]

Indeed.

The Democrats must do the right thing for the country and remove Biden.

Of course they always put party over country and won't do the right thing.

Well, they have no one else to run...No one...so it will be interesting...

 

[martin]

His job was to evaluate evidence. Period. There was no "court" -- where did that come from, your fevered imagination?

It was not an "evaluation," tardgrrl. They were interviews -- not all performed by Mr. Hur but by underlings -- to determine whether there was intent to break the law. The conclusion was that there was no intent, there was no chargeable crime, and therefore charges were not warranted. Period.

Your utter obsession and hatred of Biden is bizarre and unhinged. How many hours have you wasted here spreading your desperate lies and gossip about him and his family? Has it accomplished anything other than your total humiliation? You've shown us that you can't even read the document you linked, or understand it, or the simple legal concepts it contains. Your sick fixation on "Biden has dementia" is, frankly, disturbing. Get help.

The “poor memory” bit was a throw away line to give Trumpers a bone and keep them away from his front door. It’s working.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Trump has the Presidential Records act. Biden was a senator when he smuggled Classified documents out of a SCIF. And later he gave classified information to his ghost writer. And he told his ghost writer that he had classified documents in boxes in his basement. Can you say willful intent? Hur certainly can.

Using charged words like "smuggled" does nothing for your already-vapor-thin credibility, Quackter. Hur could have said there was intent to "steal" the documents, but he didn't. Why's that, Ruby Anne?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The “poor memory” bit was a throw away line to give Trumpers a bone and keep them away from his front door. It’s working.

Good point. If he hadn't thrown that irrelevant bit in, he'd be in hiding with his family at this very moment. Perhaps he is anyways, since he refused charges. MAGATs love death threats when they don't get their way.

 

[Nordberg]

president trump took them as president.

he was covered under the presidential records act.

biden was not.

that's an important distinction.

trump did nothing illegal, biden did.

Are you that twisted? Trump deliberately took a truckload of classified documents that did not belong to him. What nefarious purpose is not clear, but he was not acting as all previous presidents did. Archives tried to give Trump an escape route. He refused it saying the records belonged to him. Trump showed classified documents to various people. Trump was so in the right that he will wind up in jail for his theft. Trump may still have classified documents. Is he president.? He kept them long after he was out of office. He had no right to steal them. They are the property of Archives. They belong to the people.
The self-delusion of you rightys is impressive.

 

[Kamala Trump]

Are you that twisted? Trump deliberately took a truckload of classified documents that did not belong to him. What nefarious purpose is not clear, but he was not acting as all previous presidents did. Archives tried to give Trump an escape route. He refused it saying the records belonged to him. Trump showed classified documents to various people. Trump was so in the right that he will wind up in jail for his theft. Trump may still have classified documents. Is he president.? He kept them long after he was out of office. He had no right to steal them. They are the property of Archives. They belong to the people.
The self-delusion of you rightys is impressive.

he was president. and thats when he declassified them, which presidents can do.

 

[QP!]

Trump has the Presidential Records act. Biden was a senator when he smuggled Classified documents out of a SCIF. And later he gave classified information to his ghost writer. And he told his ghost writer that he had classified documents in boxes in his basement. Can you say willful intent? Hur certainly can.

Except Trump does not and that is a lie.

The PRA was put in place specifically to make it clear no POTUS can do what Trump did. Where the law was not clear prior, the PRA made it crystal clear that no POTUS can take gov't documents with them when their term is done, and all must be given over to PRA control. At which point, if a POTUS believes some documents are personal and not gov't and fit the category of 'diaries, memoires, etc, they can file a request under the PRA to get them back as 'personal property'.

But this is like you buying Trump had immunity as POTUS simply because he says it. There is nothing so stupid that Trump says that does not become your instant reality, regardless of how stupid it is.

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978

Specifically, the PRA:

- Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office

The passing of the PRA makes it far worse for Trump than if the PRA was never passed.

 

[QP!]

The “poor memory” bit was a throw away line to give Trumpers a bone and keep them away from his front door. It’s working.

Yup.

He saw what happened to both Durham and Weiss, when the conclusion of their investigation was that they could not bring any indictments against the 'evil Dems' they were empowered to get.

Matt Gaetz made it clear in the Congressional flaying of Durham that it was 'unacceptable that after 5+ years of being given a mandate and powers to investigate, that he came back with nothing'. He said 'that was unacceptable and made him inept or a secret democrat'.

Their is no acceptance in Magat world that a conclusion to a investigation can be 'this is a nothing burger', when it comes to Republi'cans' investigating Dems. And that is because Magats do not exist in a world of fact and truth and believe that if you cannot find the facts then make something damning up.

That is what Hur did. He saw that now both Durham and Weiss are hated in magat world, and they have no friends on the left and he did not want to follow them, so when he found Biden had committed no crime, he went all in on maligning him with his opinion, which means nothing in law, in this instance, and is against prosecutorial ethics to share.

 

[Concart]

"Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According
to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Eiden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."

Next?

 

[Truth Detector]

No double standard exists in the special counsel's decision not to indict Biden for possessing classified documents, as Trump has been charged with. Trump had multiple opportunities to avoid prosecution by giving the documents back, but he spurned them all, either denying he had them or claiming they belonged to him.

Somehow this distinction seems to have escaped Senator Hawley.

That is a dumb, lie filled MSNBC/DNC narrative clown. The President had rights to his documents and per the Presidential Records Act, to determine what are his personal records. Biden, as a Senator and VP, did not have the right to remove anything.

Sending a swat team to a former Presidents secure resident was not merely unprecedented, but authoritarian bullshit by this senile dunce in the White House.

Biden only came clean after he was CAUGHT you willful dishonest tool.

You ought to take some time and read the Constitution and the PRA clown.

Lastly, Biden is such a lying coward, he then tried to blame his aids and threw them under the bus like the cowardly dishonest, corrupt assclown that he is.

Only the dumbest people on the planet can support such a buffoonish moron like Biden. But here you are, looking like a dumbass again.

Specifically, the PRA:

Establishes public ownership of all Presidential records and defines the term Presidential records.

Requires that Vice-Presidential records be treated in the same way as Presidential records.

Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President.

Requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records.

Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.

Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.

Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

Establishes a process by which the President may restrict and the public may obtain access to these records after the President leaves office; specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years.

Codifies the process by which former and incumbent Presidents conduct reviews for executive privilege prior to public release of records by NARA (which had formerly been governed by Executive order 13489).

Establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent Administrations to obtain “special access” to records from NARA that remain closed to the public, following a privilege review period by the former and incumbent Presidents; the procedures governing such special access requests continue to be governed by the relevant provisions of E.O. 13489.

Establishes preservation requirements for official business conducted using non-official electronic messaging accounts: any individual creating Presidential records must not use non-official electronic messaging accounts unless that individual copies an official account as the message is created or forwards a complete copy of the record to an official messaging account. (A similar provision in the Federal Records Act applies to federal agencies.)

Prevents an individual who has been convicted of a crime related to the review, retention, removal, or destruction of records from being given access to any original records.

18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c) In this section, the term "classified information of the United States", means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

 

[Truth Detector]

Joe still broke a number of laws regarding the documents...the cooperation factor doesn't figure into the situation, however...if a bank robber delivers the money to the police, he's still charged. Unless he's deemed mentally deficient and most likely unable to stand trial...

Remember, BidenTard only "cooperated" when he got caught with the files. This was after his asinine statement on 60 minutes:

 

[Truth Detector]

Yes, maybe Trump should have been arrested out of the gate. Instead, when The National Archives realized documents were missing it simply sent a letter to Trump politely asking he return them. Only when Trump refused to cooperate was Justice brought in. Biden received the same opportunity, nothing more, nothing less.

Trump broke no laws. So here we are, more than three years later and still no proof he broke any laws.

 

[Truth Detector]

president trump took them as president.

he was covered under the presidential records act.

biden was not.

that's an important distinction.

trump did nothing illegal, biden did.

Correct!

 

[Truth Detector]

By your silly lights, Pence should also be charged. Did your "niece" who is a lawyer tell you this, or was it on Newsmax? lol

Pence broke laws as well. But he isn't Trump so they decided to let it go. Dunce.

 

[Truth Detector]

The legal concept of insufficient evidence escapes our Reichtard friends completely. But you still get credit for trying.

There was plenty of evidence you dishonest, low IQ dumbass hack.

 

[Truth Detector]

It seems to have escaped all the MAGAts.

MORON ALERT!!!

 

[Truth Detector]

They also fail to mention, Trump was not charged for the documents he returned. If he had returned all of them, he wouldn’t have been charged, just like Biden and Pence weren’t charged.

He wasn't obligated under the PRA to return ALL the documents you uneducated, low IQ MSNBC parrot.

 

[Nordberg]

he was president. and thats when he declassified them, which presidents can do.

They have no such power. I am sure you know there is a procedure for declassification. The departments in government that use them are brought into conference and classification is discussed. They have input since they are using the documents in their departments. They have to notify everyone who has access. There is no I will click my heels together and everything in the government is declassified. That is so stupid. You believe that because you want to, however if a prez could do that, it is simply the end of declassification. It becomes meaningless. You should think before you type.
When Trump made that insane claim I laughed thinking nobody is stupid enough to think that makes sense. I was wrong. Your gullibility level is extreme.

 

[ExpressLane]

They have no such power. I am sure you know there is a procedure for declassification. The departments in government that use them are brought into conference and classification is discussed. They have input since they are using the documents in their departments. They have to notify everyone who has access. There is no I will click my heels together and everything in the government is declassified. That is so stupid. You believe that because you want to, however if a prez could do that, it is simply the end of declassification. It becomes meaningless. You should think before you type.
When Trump made that insane claim I laughed thinking nobody is stupid enough to think that makes sense. I was wrong. Your gullibility level is extreme.

There is NO SET PROCEDURE for a President to declassify documents. The very fact that Trump had them moved to Mar A Lago means he declassified them. It is exactly like the classifed documents that Clinton took. A federal judge says only the President gets to decide what a Presidential document is.