I hope its Tim Kaine, Gov of VA!

Just to be devil's advocate: what do Democratic men have to do to "work" for the women's vote?

Do they HAVE to either nominate Hillary, or pick her or another woman for VP?

Hillary is a bad choice for VP on a lot of levels for Obama (one of the biggest ones being a fellow named Bill). If he picked her, it would be sheer political expediency - a move designed to do nothing but appease her supporters.

There is nothing that can be done to repair the damage onceler....he can't work for my vote this election.... the DNC can't work for my vote this election....like said, the damage was done with their decision to change the rules midstream to FAVOR their male insider candidate....the person they knew would conform and change and cater to their needs and wants....

writing in Hillary or Susan B Anthony on the ticket, shows how serious I am about being shunned and mocked and ignored and hopefully will bring change with them thinking that I am a "given", when coming to voting....well, I am not a "given"....not anymore!

c.
 
"the damage was done with their decision to change the rules midstream to FAVOR their male insider candidate"

Well, you lose me there. Hillary's camp floated every metric possible for winning the primary, and tried their damnedest to change the rules in their favor.

Are you talking about the MI/FL ruling? That's a real grasp, Care.
 
Well, I understand how you feel now. Unless he picks Kaine, I won't do what you're going to do , but I understand now why you feel this way. If he picks Kaine, instead of voting third party, maybe i will write in Hillary too!

Well, I've been following this thread for about a day now and you guys have me convinced that Kaine is a deal breaker.

But Hillary is also a deal breaker for me at this point. I don't trust her as far as I can throw her.

I'm going with Cynthia McKinney. I always know where she stands.
 
Totally. And I am so sick and tired of the "buttt heeee might attraacccttt con votttesss". At what price, first of all? By fucking women over? And secondly - yeah, cons are known to be jumping for joy over the chance to vote for a black guy. Wake the fuck up!

I understand.

Trying to go for the "guns and bibles" vote with a conservative southern white guy democrat makes no electoral sense to me. How is being pro-labor, pro-choice, and pro-fair trade a liability in this political climate? It makes no sense to slap a vital democratic constituency in the face, namely labor and women.
 
Soc, you make a great point about the things Hillary said about Obama during the Primary. What would happen if she was then, his VP pick? And she did say some nasty stuff, but I am wondering, was it anymore nasty than what went on between Romney and McCain? I really don't know. I'd have to go back and actually view the tapes of Romney/McCain. But I do remember that they were real nasty to each other. Pundits were widely talking about how it was real, they just don't like each other, they said. And it showed.

Yet today, Romney is on the short-list, and a real possibility. Now maybe he won't be picked, but I haven't seen one person bring up what went on between them during the primary as a reason he shouldn't be picked. And I am just wondering if we are only asking this because it's Hillary. There was some nasty shit said between H W and Reagan, and then HW became the VP. Wouldn't the answer from Hillary simply be, a wide smile, a wave of her hand, and a dissmissive comment along the lines of "you haven't witnessed many primaries, have you?"

Isn't this pretty much, SOP?

I think the big difference in their battles in the primaries is that McCain and Romney never stated that one of the Dem counterparts was better than the other Republican.

Two reasons Hillary won't be the VP...

1) The reason Socrtease mentioned

2) The Clintons do not seem to want to be disclosing Billy's financial dealings with certain Eastern European leaders.
 
There is nothing that can be done to repair the damage onceler....he can't work for my vote this election.... the DNC can't work for my vote this election....like said, the damage was done with their decision to change the rules midstream to FAVOR their male insider candidate....the person they knew would conform and change and cater to their needs and wants....

writing in Hillary or Susan B Anthony on the ticket, shows how serious I am about being shunned and mocked and ignored and hopefully will bring change with them thinking that I am a "given", when coming to voting....well, I am not a "given"....not anymore!

c.

Oh, so you are just thinking of WHITE women????

No Rosa Parks or Lena Horne?

Interesting....

:)
 
Well, I've been following this thread for about a day now and you guys have me convinced that Kaine is a deal breaker.

But Hillary is also a deal breaker for me at this point. I don't trust her as far as I can throw her.

I'm going with Cynthia McKinney. I always know where she stands.

Well I understand and sympathize with that view as well.
 
I think the big difference in their battles in the primaries is that McCain and Romney never stated that one of the Dem counterparts was better than the other Republican.

Two reasons Hillary won't be the VP...

1) The reason Socrtease mentioned

2) The Clintons do not seem to want to be disclosing Billy's financial dealings with certain Eastern European leaders.

Well, Ok, that’s a good point. But I still think that she could schmooze it over in the way I suggested.
And I agree Bill’s finances are an, maybe the, impediment.
 
Oh, so you are just thinking of WHITE women????

No Rosa Parks or Lena Horne?

Interesting....

:)

You can write in Sojourner Truth, one of the most incredible women who ever lived. A former slave, she managed to bridge the worlds between civil rights for all blacks, and women’s rights for all women. She seemed to have no resentments.

Delivered 1851 at the Women's Convention in Akron, Ohio
Well, children, where there is so much racket there must be something out of kilter. I think that 'twixt the negroes of the South and the women at the North, all talking about rights, the white men will be in a fix pretty soon. But what's all this here talking about?
That man over there says that women need to be helped into carriages, and lifted over ditches, and to have the best place everywhere. Nobody ever helps me into carriages, or over mud-puddles, or gives me any best place! And ain't I a woman? Look at me! Look at my arm! I have ploughed and planted, and gathered into barns, and no man could head me! And ain't I a woman? I could work as much and eat as much as a man - when I could get it - and bear the lash as well! And ain't I a woman? I have borne thirteen children, and seen most all sold off to slavery, and when I cried out with my mother's grief, none but Jesus heard me! And ain't I a woman?
Then they talk about this thing in the head; what's this they call it? [member of audience whispers, "intellect"] That's it, honey. What's that got to do with women's rights or negroes' rights? If my cup won't hold but a pint, and yours holds a quart, wouldn't you be mean not to let me have my little half measure full?
Then that little man in black there, he says women can't have as much rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman! Where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him.
If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back , and get it right side up again! And now they is asking to do it, the men better let them.
Obliged to you for hearing me, and now old Sojourner ain't got nothing more to say.
 
You can write in Sojourner Truth, one of the most incredible women who ever lived. A former slave, she managed to bridge the worlds between civil rights for all blacks, and women’s rights for all women. She seemed to have no resentments.

Delivered 1851 at the Women's Convention in Akron, Ohio
Well, children, where there is so much racket there must be something out of kilter. I think that 'twixt the negroes of the South and the women at the North, all talking about rights, the white men will be in a fix pretty soon. But what's all this here talking about?
That man over there says that women need to be helped into carriages, and lifted over ditches, and to have the best place everywhere. Nobody ever helps me into carriages, or over mud-puddles, or gives me any best place! And ain't I a woman? Look at me! Look at my arm! I have ploughed and planted, and gathered into barns, and no man could head me! And ain't I a woman? I could work as much and eat as much as a man - when I could get it - and bear the lash as well! And ain't I a woman? I have borne thirteen children, and seen most all sold off to slavery, and when I cried out with my mother's grief, none but Jesus heard me! And ain't I a woman?
Then they talk about this thing in the head; what's this they call it? [member of audience whispers, "intellect"] That's it, honey. What's that got to do with women's rights or negroes' rights? If my cup won't hold but a pint, and yours holds a quart, wouldn't you be mean not to let me have my little half measure full?
Then that little man in black there, he says women can't have as much rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman! Where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him.
If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back , and get it right side up again! And now they is asking to do it, the men better let them.
Obliged to you for hearing me, and now old Sojourner ain't got nothing more to say.

Very good selection. I just went with the first two that popped into my head.

The above was pretty awesome by the way. I haven't seen that in a long long time. Thanks for posting it.
 
Soc, you make a great point about the things Hillary said about Obama during the Primary. What would happen if she was then, his VP pick? And she did say some nasty stuff, but I am wondering, was it anymore nasty than what went on between Romney and McCain? I really don't know. I'd have to go back and actually view the tapes of Romney/McCain. But I do remember that they were real nasty to each other. Pundits were widely talking about how it was real, they just don't like each other, they said. And it showed.

Yet today, Romney is on the short-list, and a real possibility. Now maybe he won't be picked, but I haven't seen one person bring up what went on between them during the primary as a reason he shouldn't be picked. And I am just wondering if we are only asking this because it's Hillary. There was some nasty shit said between H W and Reagan, and then HW became the VP. Wouldn't the answer from Hillary simply be, a wide smile, a wave of her hand, and a dissmissive comment along the lines of "you haven't witnessed many primaries, have you?"

Isn't this pretty much, SOP?
After I posted my response to Care I had much the same idea. You are right Bush the Brighter did call Raygun's economic plan Voodoo economics yet was still the VP. So they can brush this off as just trying to get elected and that lots of people "say anything" to push down support for the other guy. Like I said, I will vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket. Besides, it would be fun to see the righties squirm for at least another 4 years about a Clinton in the whitehouse.
 
I thought you HAD a boyfriend????


the boyfriend is for sex, the manservent is for all the ''honey dos'' so that they don't get in the way of the sex, either mentally or physically! :D

kinda like the guy getting his wife a maid, so there is no ''i'm tired'' at the end of the day or the spur of the moment.... :pke:

care
 
the boyfriend is for sex, the manservent is for all the ''honey dos'' so that they don't get in the way of the sex, either mentally or physically! :D

kinda like the guy getting his wife a maid, so there is no ''i'm tired'' at the end of the day or the spur of the moment.... :pke:

care

LMAO.... I see, thank you for the clarification.
 
the boyfriend is for sex, the manservent is for all the ''honey dos'' so that they don't get in the way of the sex, either mentally or physically! :D

kinda like the guy getting his wife a maid, so there is no ''i'm tired'' at the end of the day or the spur of the moment.... :pke:

care

Well, it depends on who the manservant is. You know I am not as innocent-minded as you are Care!

However, manservant or bf, all must be willing to lift stuff. And open jars. Also, if there are any problems with appliances, that would be them too.
 
Well, it depends on who the manservant is. You know I am not as innocent-minded as you are Care!

However, manservant or bf, all must be willing to lift stuff. And open jars. Also, if there are any problems with appliances, that would be them too.

we are soooo on the same page with all that....

i'm not that ''innocent'', just more mellow and wiser with every birth day....and alot of mistakes learned from, in between..... :eek:

care
 
Well, I've become very despondent over these issues, mostly on account of the young male obama supporters. I do not mean the adult ones like Onceler. But ones like Epic, and his partner, and not an Obama supporter, Cawacko. I really feel as if women got left behind in this great leap forward. We are more pornified and degraded by this newest generation than we may have ever been. I see feminism as having been set back a generation.

If i had it to do all over, I might have supported hillary. I could make the case today, that women should support Hillary
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I just caught this.....

But given how hawkish she became toward Iran, given her cluster bomb vote, I'd say she would have sold out even faster than Obama appears to be at the moment.
 
I just caught this.....

But given how hawkish she became toward Iran, given her cluster bomb vote, I'd say she would have sold out even faster than Obama appears to be at the moment.


There was never a question with Hillary. It's just that, with Obama, there was a slim hope there for awhile; like maybe this wasn't a typical, expedient, check the polls before you speak kind of politician.

Once you take that away from Obama, it becomes more equal between him and Hillary as far as "the best choice," because she does have a little more experience than him. Still, she can out-expedient anyone, and I still would have gone for Obama over her (mainly because I have CDS)
 
There was never a question with Hillary. It's just that, with Obama, there was a slim hope there for awhile; like maybe this wasn't a typical, expedient, check the polls before you speak kind of politician.

Once you take that away from Obama, it becomes more equal between him and Hillary as far as "the best choice," because she does have a little more experience than him. Still, she can out-expedient anyone, and I still would have gone for Obama over her (mainly because I have CDS)

I agree that there was never a question with Hillary.

I still maintain the idea that experience doesn't necessarily make you a better candidate at this stage in their careers. The only thing I can think of that experience in Washington gets you, is more time to become beholden to industries, lobbyist groups, and companies.

I view the rewards of experience as a parabolic function when it comes to politics, the first few years you're making contacts and understanding operationally how things work. You're not tainted, you've got fresh ideals and your more connected tothe people you're supposed to be representing, and your votes and proposals reflect this.

As time goes on, you get comfortable in your position, you become beholden to the institutions I mentioned earlier, and you have to start the back scratching game which will usually cancel out the ideals you were elected to uphold to the point where no one what it is you stand for.

Well those are my two cents anyway.
 
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