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cawacko said:
An interesting article on religion and race.



The Ugly Coded Critique of Chick-Fil-A's Christianity

The fast-food chain's "infiltration" of New York City ignores the truth about religion in America. It also reveals an ugly narrow-mindedness.


The New Yorker has been taking it on the chin lately for its essay about Chick-fil-A’s “infiltration” of New York City. Although most of the piece is about the evils of fast food and the chain’s ubiquitous "Eat Mor Chikin" advertising campaign, the essay has been excoriated for its anti-Christian tone. “The brand’s arrival here feels like an infiltration, in no small part because of its pervasive Christian traditionalism,” we’re told. Not just that: “Its headquarters, in Atlanta, are adorned with Bible verses and a statue of Jesus washing a disciple’s feet. Its stores close on Sundays.”

1 And lest we forget: “The restaurant’s corporate purpose still begins with the words ‘to glorify God.’”

What the author really seems angry about is that the company’s CEO opposes same-sex marriage. But the framing of the piece made Christianity the villain, and the headline -- “Chick-fil-A’s Creepy Infiltration of New York City” -- was sufficiently troubling that Nate Silver quickly tweeted “This is why Trump won.” Fair point. Religious bigotry is always dangerous. But there’s a deeper problem here, a difficulty endemic to today’s secular left: an all-too-frequent weird refusal to acknowledge the demographics of Christianity. When you mock Christians, you’re not mocking who you think you are.

A 2015 Pew Research Center study of race and ethnicity among U.S. religions provides some basic facts. In the first place, if you’re mocking Christians, you’re mostly mocking women, because women are more likely than men to be Christians. The greatest disproportion is found among black Christians, of whom only 41 percent are male. So you’re mocking black women in particular.

Overall, people of color are more likely than whites to be Christians -- and pretty devout Christians at that. Some 83 percent of all black Americans are absolutely certain that God exists. No other group comes close to this figure. Black Christians are far more likely than white Christians (84 percent to 64 percent) to describe religion as very important in their lives. Of all ethnic groups, black Christians are the most likely to attend services, pray frequently and read the Bible regularly. They are also -- here’s the kicker -- most likely to believe that their faith is the place to look for answers to questions about right and wrong. And they are, by large margins, the most likely to believe that the Bible is the literally inerrant word of God. In short, if you find Christian traditionalism creepy, it’s black people you’re talking about.

It’s true that, politically, black Americans are overwhelmingly Democrats, and that’s true of black Christians as well. On the other hand, black Christians tend to be socially conservative: the least tolerant of homosexuality, the most likely to oppose same-sex marriage and the least likely to believe in evolution.

2 If you’re maligning traditional Christianity, the people you’re maligning are disproportionately black.

And then there’s this fascinating table:

Here we see something about the future. Look at the figures for the young, on the left-hand side. Only 9 percent of white Christians are young millennials, compared with 21 percent of Asian Christians and 16 percent of Latino Christians. Some 17 percent of white Christians are from the so-called silent generation. No other group comes close. In other words, white Christians are aging. Christians of color are youthening.

As I’ve noted before in this space, the figures are equally striking worldwide. Even as the U.S. and Europe see the growth of atheism and agnosticism, religious faith in general and Christianity in particular continue to explode in parts of the world that aren’t as white. That’s why the Vatican, for example, sees developing nations as the future of the church. And around the globe, the people most likely to be Christians are women of color.

Which brings us to one last point from the Pew study. Among Latinos and Asians, Christians are overwhelmingly first-generation immigrants.

Although the differences are obvious from a glance, the actual numbers are staggering. Only 3 percent of white Christians are first-generation immigrants. That compares with 10 percent of black Christians, 58 percent of Latino Christians, and 66 percent of Asian Christians. In other words, American Christianity is growing heavily through immigrants who are people of color. If Christians are really so scary, maybe it’s time to build that wall.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying the article shouldn’t have been published. I don’t think the New Yorker owes anybody an apology. I’m a free-speech guy, and I don’t believe any group should be placed beyond criticism or mockery. But if you plan to mock, it’s useful to know whom you’re actually mocking.

Narrow-mindedness of this sort is alarmingly common on the left. A few years ago, a well-known progressive commentator mused to his large Twitter following that sometimes he wishes all the Christians would just disappear. I would like to believe he was simply too uninformed to realize that he was wishing for a whiter world.

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That guy will get his wish. One day, all Christians WILL disappear. And then it will be too late for anyone else. Game over. Going to Hell.
 
Nooooooooo. There will be multitudes coming to Christ during the Tribulation. God's invitation of salvation extends until the 2nd coming of Christ. All of humanity will be given every opportunity to accept Jesus fully as their Savior. Some will dig in their heels and prefer hell but, a lot of folks will be coming to Christ. :)
 
Stretch said:
Nooooooooo. There will be multitudes coming to Christ during the Tribulation. God's invitation of salvation extends until the 2nd coming of Christ. All of humanity will be given every opportunity to accept Jesus fully as their Savior. Some will dig in their heels and prefer hell but, a lot of folks will be coming to Christ. :)
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How odd that someone would consider worthy of worship a psychopathic being who condemns people to burn in fire forever for imaginary temporal transgressions.

What a stupid thing to do.
 
Stretch said:
How odd that anyone would refuse a free unearned gift of love, mercy and forgiveness offered by Jesus Christ.
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It's easy. If you don't accept all people, just as they are, then you accept no one. This is, of course, based on Xtian interpretation of the words of Jesus. I'm quite sure that if He appeared today, assuming He is real, He wouldn't recognize but a handful of the faithful as belonging to him. For sure He wouldn't recognize 99% of the JPPers who claim to be followers.

You're a very nice person, but quoting Bible stuff on a politics forum that threatens ppl is hardly conducive to convincing us that it's your way or the highway (to hell).
 
Granule said:
Then the pope hasn't been reading his Bible. You're hellbound, Sybil, and i'm not even sure your craziness will help you.
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Oh good. I'll save Evince a seat next to me on that bus. lol

(See post to Stretch about Jesus not knowing who the fuck you are.)
 
Stretch said:
How odd that anyone would refuse a free unearned gift of love, mercy and forgiveness offered by Jesus Christ.
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I accept his love, I like his teachings of love and taking care of others, but I doubt he was literally resurrected from the dead, I think it is just mythos, it was symbolic.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It's easy. If you don't accept all people, just as they are, then you accept no one. This is, of course, based on Xtian interpretation of the words of Jesus. I'm quite sure that if He appeared today, assuming He is real, He wouldn't recognize but a handful of the faithful as belonging to him. For sure He wouldn't recognize 99% of the JPPers who claim to be followers.

You're a very nice person, but quoting Bible stuff on a politics forum that threatens ppl is hardly conducive to convincing us that it's your way or the highway (to hell).
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The entire reason Jesus went to the cross was to take ALL our sin upon him, the final sacrifice for sin for all eternity. Those who want no part of God's gift of salvation will live and die with the consequences and those who do want forgiveness and salvation will live and die with ours. He knows the hearts of His own with all our imperfections and blemishes, he sees our hearts which are set upon Him alone for salvation.

As long as posters put religious threads up on the Political Forum, religious posts will be posted. You (nor I) are Holy Ghost Jr. We don't know just exactly whose hearts are being touched by God's Word. People can see from the thread titles what the subject will be. Nobody is forced to look at any thread. I bypass many just from the seeing the topic on the subject line. Judging from most of the language and in-your-face insults flying around here, I don't see many snowflakes complaining of being "threatened".
 
Phantasmal said:
I accept his love, I like his teachings of love and taking care of others, but I doubt he was literally resurrected from the dead, I think it is just mythos, it was symbolic.
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And, yet it was life, death and resurrection that was his purpose for coming. To be that final sacrifice for our sins and offer us life. This was his example of complete selfless love and taking care of us...forever.

This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
John 15:12-13
 
Stretch said:
As long as posters put religious threads up on the Political Forum, religious posts will be posted. You (nor I) are Holy Ghost Jr. We don't know just exactly whose hearts are being touched by God's Word. People can see from the thread titles what the subject will be. Nobody is forced to look at any thread. I bypass many just from the seeing the topic on the subject line. Judging from most of the language and in-your-face insults flying around here, I don't see many snowflakes complaining of being "threatened".
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Several of us have mentioned how in their personal lives some Christians have used the threat of damnation to try to convert them. Christian children are raised in that mindset. It doesn't bother me at all since I know there is no Hell; it just seems a poor way to entice ppl to believe as you do. Fear is not the best motivator.
 
Stretch said:
And, yet it was life, death and resurrection that was his purpose for coming. To be that final sacrifice for our sins and offer us life. This was his example of complete selfless love and taking care of us...forever.

This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
John 15:12-13
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Again, that’s your belief. I don’t see Jesus in the same light as you do.
 
Phantasmal said:
I accept his love, I like his teachings of love and taking care of others, but I doubt he was literally resurrected from the dead, I think it is just mythos, it was symbolic.
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As well as based on the cult of Mithras, who was a god worshiped in the East in the times before Jesus. The cult itself was co-existent with early Christianity.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Oh good. I'll save Evince a seat next to me on that bus. lol

(See post to Stretch about Jesus not knowing who the fuck you are.)
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Jesus is max aware of everyone; even ignorant fools like you.

What is it about the idea of a supreme creator that has you morons so rattled?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
As well as based on the cult of Mithras, who was a god worshiped in the East in the times before Jesus. The cult itself was co-existent with early Christianity.
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Osiris story is also very similar, along with several other godman myths, they were quite common at the time.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Several of us have mentioned how in their personal lives some Christians have used the threat of damnation to try to convert them. Christian children are raised in that mindset. It doesn't bother me at all since I know there is no Hell; it just seems a poor way to entice ppl to believe as you do. Fear is not the best motivator.
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This is why I quote Scripture. People aren't stupid. I'm not giving my own human opinion. Every living person has to deal with life and death.
 
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