Dunn trial begins in Florida

Damocles said:
Please go back to those threads and tell me where I did that, or even where "wait for the verdict" is "supporting" GZ. Prove your assertions about me or you will have already proven your own hypocrisy. When you can't argue, all you got is "yer a racist and think black peeepul are thugs"..

I argued that:

A). Trayvon had as much right to defend himself as GZ.
B). That did not mean that GZ would be found guilty as he too had that right.
and finally
C). That it was my opinion that it was a case where the rights of two people clashed creating a tragedy.
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Jeebus, I didn't say it was YOU personally, it was a plural. I was talking about the media supporters of GZ, I'm certainly not saying YOU created the "thug" meme. But it did exist and others on this forum did use it.
 
christiefan915 said:
My assumption of guilt was based on GZ shooting an unarmed person, and my not knowing there was such a thing as a stand your ground law in Florida. I understand the legal reasoning that got him acquitted, that got Casey Anthony acquitted, that got OJ Simpson acquitted, etc. but I don't have to like it.
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He was not acquitted for the Stand Your Ground law they never argued that it was a SYG case. Your assumption of guilt was because you wanted it to be that way, not from the evidence that was gathered. As I said, the NBC tape got us all... some of us have a better time assimilating new information and changing our opinion because of it.

The reality was I argued, at that time, that GZ and TM had the same right to defend themselves and that, IMO (based on the information available) this was a case where two people who believed they were defending themselves collided and created what became a tragedy.

While I argue in favor of the SYG law, I do not assume that Dunn is not guilty or guilty and spoke of how I would argue this one if I were the prosecution. I never thought Dunn had much of a chance... the attempted murder (shooting at the vehicle full of people indiscriminately as they drove away) was enough to put him away for life.

(BTW - Dunn also only argued self defense, there is no SYG ruling in this case because they have not argued that this was a SYG incident.)
 
Christiekins, you are poutraged when a white man shoots a Black kid.

When a Black man shoots a white kid, not so much.

We get it.
 
christiefan915 said:
Jeebus, I didn't say it was YOU personally, it was a plural. I was talking about the media supporters of GZ, I'm certainly not saying YOU created the "thug" meme. But it did exist and others on this forum did use it.
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Plural "you" includes the person to whom you are speaking in that plurality. If I say "you", plural or not, when speaking with you, then you will assume inclusion because there is no case where such a "you" does not include the person to whom you are speaking.
 
Damocles said:
Plural "you" includes the person to whom you are speaking in that plurality. If I say "you", plural or not, when speaking with you, then you will assume inclusion because there is no case where such a "you" does not include the person to whom you are speaking.
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Damo do me a favor and stop talking like an engineer. I may have not put my thoughts into words that are to your satisfaction but be assured I was speaking of those GZ defenders and media who used the word "thug" as a matter of course.
 
christiefan915 said:
My assumption of guilt was based on GZ shooting an unarmed person, and my not knowing there was such a thing as a stand your ground law in Florida. I understand the legal reasoning that got him acquitted, that got Casey Anthony acquitted, that got OJ Simpson acquitted, etc. but I don't have to like it.
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UH - I know this is going to offend your sensibilities; but Trayvon armed himself with the sidewalk and was pounding Zimmerman's head on it.
 
christiefan915 said:
Damo do me a favor and stop talking like an engineer. I may have not put my thoughts into words that are to your satisfaction but be assured I was speaking of those GZ defenders and media who used the word "thug" as a matter of course.
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Christiekins doesn't want people to think she meant what she said, apparently. :dunno:
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Let it go.

You're never going to get lying chuckleheads like USF to admit when he's wrong.

No matter how convincing the evidence.
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No doubt...but that has never been my intention for all the years the little clown has been doing his act. When he engages me unprovoked, my intent is to merely show the reader what a BS artist he is. When that is done, I just leave him to his usual blathering, as we see on this thread.
 
Big Money said:
Thugvon assaulted Mr. Zimmerman according to the only eyewitness.
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What case are you referring to? Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin after initiating a pursuit despite being identified by Martin (who ran away, according to Zimmerman) and then getting out of his car and pursuing him after being told by the dispatch that was not necessary, as the cops were on the way.

Martin, an unarmed teenager going home at night, gets tailed and confronted by an armed stranger. But according to folk like you, he doesn't get the right to defend himself because Other black folk committed crimes in the area. Only slavering bigots and stupid people buy into that.
 
Doppelganger said:
1) not against the law Apparently not, in Florida. You can tail someone out of suspicion, act like a cop (which you're NOT) and continue pursuit DESPITE being told cops are on the way and it's NOT necessary, start a fight, and then you can kill an unarmed black kid because you're white, suspicious and scared. God bless America.
2) doesn't change his self defense claim at all A "claim" by which the jury was NOT given proper instruction on when they ruled. http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/16/3502481/juror-we-talked-stand-your-ground.html
3) the dispatcher admitted on the stand he said the comments in a deliberately ambiguous way. (this is to protect them from lawsuits) Zimmerman stated that Martin "ran away"....so he's told cops are on the way. Why pursue, he's not a cop? Hell, he wasn't even an official neighborhood watch guy (of which carrying a gun is as one is a no-no). And why get out of the car? Yeah, the dispatch protects themselves in the event that assholes like Zimmerman kill someone....but you'd have to be a REAL idiot not to understand "we don't need you to do that". Remember, Zimmerman ACKNOWLEDGED that!
4) the dispatcher also admitted that he could understand how zimmerman might have interpreted his comments a different way.
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See response to #3.

Then there's this: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/16/3502481/juror-we-talked-stand-your-ground.html
 
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