This is what you call Republican run healthcare

Concart said:
The leading cause of death among children and teens is gunshots. Automobile accidents are second. Drugs are not even close.
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Actually drugs are close. Guns just edge them out if you discount suicide by firearm (assumes these would still happen by other means). So, it's vehicles, then suicide, then guns, drugs, and malignant neoplasm (whatever that is), with the last three almost identical in number.

The Major Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The government statistics conflate suicides with means of affecting one. It should be a separate category.
 
Concart said:
Ask the people who have it. You think private insurance for seniors would be better? Good grief.
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I think a mostly market driven healthcare system would be better for everybody. The reason it's so fucked up is government drove big business into using health insurance as wages-in-kind in WW 2 and the system stayed afterwards. FDR fucked US healthcare up totally.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I think a mostly market driven healthcare system would be better for everybody. The reason it's so fucked up is government drove big business into using health insurance as wages-in-kind in WW 2 and the system stayed afterwards. FDR fucked US healthcare up totally.
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Healthcare cannot be market driven. Preventative care is vastly more efficient, but people simply will not seek that care if they can't afford to eat. Doctors on the other hand love to treat easily preventable chronic conditions. Way more money in it. Market driven health care is a disaster in the United States. One need only to compare the outcomes and the cost to other countries.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Actually drugs are close. Guns just edge them out if you discount suicide by firearm (assumes these would still happen by other means). So, it's vehicles, then suicide, then guns, drugs, and malignant neoplasm (whatever that is), with the last three almost identical in number.

The Major Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The government statistics conflate suicides with means of affecting one. It should be a separate category.
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Suicide by gun is a gun death. You cannot assume all gun suicides would have happened by other means. In fact there are many studies that strongly suggest otherwise.
 
Concart said:
Healthcare cannot be market driven. Preventative care is vastly more efficient, but people simply will not seek that care if they can't afford to eat. Doctors on the other hand love to treat easily preventable chronic conditions. Way more money in it. Market driven health care is a disaster in the United States. One need only to compare the outcomes and the cost to other countries.
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That's totally wrong. Why can't healthcare be market driven? Cosmetic and elective surgery is and it is very price competitive with little or no insurance element in it. Preventative care is not vastly more efficient. In fact, it is quite costly. The reason is, is that most of it does nothing. That is, for the small segment that finds an issue early there are an overwhelming number of negative cases where nothing is found.

Chronic conditions are not "easily preventable." For example, how do you prevent obesity? Do you tell people to eat less, eat more healthy, exercise more? Good luck with that! We've been doing that for decades and how's that gone?
 
Concart said:
Suicide by gun is a gun death. You cannot assume all gun suicides would have happened by other means. In fact there are many studies that strongly suggest otherwise.
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Suicide is suicide. The tool or items used are irrelevant. You cannot assume that without guns all gun suicides wouldn't still happen either. It's like 3rd brake lights on vehicles. If you eliminate guns, once the novelty wears off people wanting to commit suicide will find another way. Fentanyl seems a likely substitute.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
So, it is government run health insurance, like FEMA and flood insurance. Yes, I am against Medicare. It was a terrible idea forced on us by LBJ and his disastrous "Great Society" program. He originally told the public it wouldn't cost more than $1 billion after 10 years... What a whopper of a lie that was!

The whole reason the healthcare industry is so expensive and fucked up in terms of payers is because OF GOVERNMENT! More government won't solve the problem!
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I bet you believe that. We pay much higher prices for healthcare and drugs than citizens of more enlightened nations. Our costs bgo up because fewer and fewer people run the industry. The buyups and mergers of hospitals are still going on. The few ontop are making incredible amounts of money. As usual, you do not know the problem you comment on, https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/sectors/summary?id=H
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It depends on what you're rating. Is it the healthcare system, or is it the quality of healthcare? Commonwealth conflates that.
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Every rating of healthcare for countries whether it be Guttmacher, Kaiser Ppermanente, commonwealth it doesn't matter, they all put the USA way down the list. Our healthcare system is totally fucked up, half the cost of healthcare in this country goes into the pockets of insurance companies.
 
Port Tack said:
Every rating of healthcare for countries whether it be Guttmacher, Kaiser Ppermanente, commonwealth it doesn't matter, they all put the USA way down the list. Our healthcare system is totally fucked up, half the cost of healthcare in this country goes into the pockets of insurance companies.
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And Obama spent two years on fixing this, and did not do shit but to inflate the cost of this failure.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's totally wrong. Why can't healthcare be market driven? Cosmetic and elective surgery is and it is very price competitive with little or no insurance element in it. Preventative care is not vastly more efficient. In fact, it is quite costly. The reason is, is that most of it does nothing. That is, for the small segment that finds an issue early there are an overwhelming number of negative cases where nothing is found.

Chronic conditions are not "easily preventable." For example, how do you prevent obesity? Do you tell people to eat less, eat more healthy, exercise more? Good luck with that! We've been doing that for decades and how's that gone?
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Yes obesity is easily preventable. Stop allowing so much sugar into the American diet. And you incentivize them to exercise. But most importantly you SCREEN. And that is where market driven healthcare fails. What incentive is there for people to get health screening? None. Quite the opposite. Specialty doctors make the big bucks. Pharma is paying doctors to get patients in expensive drugs. Insurance companies spend double digits of their income on ‘administration’.

The proof this does not work is in the numbers. We pay a much greater percentage of GDP on healthcare than any other country and our outcomes are worse. That’s a failed system. We also have tens of thousands of deaths due to lack of access to healthcare.

Market driven healthcare also leads to inordinate amounts of palliative care that is completely wasted. But when the ACA proposed better advanced illness programs you idiots screamed ‘death panels!!! You want to kill grandma.!!’ Half of Medicare money is spent on patients in the last year of life. Duabetes, for which this country pays an enormous cost, could be far less impactful if we screened early and stopped creating sugar addicts out of our kids.

I know my shit when it comes to this stuff. I spent the last 20 years of my career as a SME. for Medicare Advantage risk adjustments. Patient touch points and free screenings were proven to reduce costs. Our system is completely fucked up. Single payer is the answer.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
And Obama spent two years on fixing this, and did not do shit but to inflate the cost of this failure.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Millions of people gained access to health insurance as a result of the ACA. Among many other benefits. As with every other subject, you know not a fucking thing about the ACA. Go have another drink, loser.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Those roads benefit you even if you don't drive on them yourself. They make it possible for emergency services to reach you. They allow trucks to bring the things you buy and consume. They benefit everyone. Try again.
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And I pay more for them than you do welfare queen.
 
Bigdog said:
All those countries are subsidized by the U.S.. taxpayer. If they had to provide their own military, they could not afford that lifestyle. Not to mention, countries like Germany that have extreme trade surpluses, which we don't.
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this is why we need to do trumps plan of dumping NATO.
 
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