Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
STFU, You'd take Castro over Americans, you stupid fuck!
Yes! That how retarded you are.
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STFU, You'd take Castro over Americans, you stupid fuck!
Yes! That how retarded you are.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Nope, I believe in Democracy. Castro is one of your guys.
Eroding gun rights, eroding free speech (by expanding the definition of hate speech), supporting campus tribunals that ignore the right to due process, forcing people to buy health insurance, imposing expansive zoning regulations that create housing shortages, imposing environmental regulations that end up contributing to forest fires and water supply issues, eroding the right to self-defense, imposing lockdowns that destroy businesses and lead to deaths (see Whitmer's disastrous policies), etc.
The list is endless, but that's just a small sliver of it.
Yes, we get it. Even if most historians put Castro, Bolsheviks, Maoists, and various other Communists on the left, they're apparently right wingers since it would be inconvenient for you to admit when the left goes too far.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Nope, they're on the Right because their politics were about concentrating power in a hierarchy, rather than spreading it more evenly throughout society. None of these people were Communists other than in name only.
Cuba, the Soviet Union, and China didn't have collective ownership, rather they had the government and business in bed together, which is a hallmark of Fascism.
I guess that means that about 99% of rulers are right wing then. Good luck finding a left wing leader under that definition.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Gun control is not eroding gun rights. As far as I know, there aren't many mainstream Leftists who want to ban all guns.
No mainstream Leftist wants to ban hate speech.
Examples? I agree that campus tribunals don't always handle rape claims the right way, but I haven't heard of any cases that were obviously wrong, which mainstream Leftists still agreed with.
We also force people to buy car insurance and for pretty much the same reason. I don't consider this authoritarian. It's an affordable way to keep taxes from needing to be raised.
I agree that zoning regulations sometimes go too far, but is that really Authoritarianism? We're talking about regulations being too strict, not people losing their free speech in some neighborhoods.
Which environmental regulations do you think went far enough to be authoritarian?
Again, nobody wants to ban all guns.
The lockdown was a necessarily evil, which you can thank Trump for.
It seems like you're considering something to be Authoritarianism just because you disagree with it.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Of course it's a spectrum, but I would say any ruler who creates welfare policies and believes in Democracy is left-wing.
And yeah, most leaders are right-wing, but.... duh? This is why America has so many checks and balances. We know that humans are terrible and will try to maximize their power as soon as they get any.
Virginia nearly banned all semiautomatic weapons, which would be about 80% of the guns in circulation. If you don't think banning 80% of a market is authoritarian, then I guess we define that word differently.
Plenty of progressives certainly push for that in the UK. If you want to split hairs and deny they are leftists, then ok.
Leftists certainly sided with Emma Sulkowicz, and some still apparently fraternize with her.
The difference is that you can live without a car. Everyone needs healthcare at some point, so forcing people to go through an intermediary like an insurance company is corporatist corruption. Insurance shouldn't even be part of the transaction in most cases.
Look at the situation in San Francisco. Zoning is so strict there that it has created an artificial housing crisis. Increasing homelessness through jacking up property values via government restrictions on the market is most certainly authoritarianism.
One of the main causes of all the wildfires out west is the restrictions on controlled burns. In very dry environments, you have to periodically perform controlled burns in forested areas to prevent much larger fires from spreading eventually. Environmental policies in California have made controlled burns difficult to maintain or perform, so we end up with massive wildfires that destroy tons of property and kill people as well.
Many progressives certainly do.
You mean China. And no, it was not a necessary evil. We could have done social distancing, mask wearing, and increased cleaning without lockdowns.
I could say the same for your declarations that everything right wing is fascist or that every leader that doesn't fit your narrow definition of left is right wing.
George W. Bush expanded welfare spending and supported democracy, but I wouldn't call him left wing.
While I agree that it's a spectrum, I also go with how left and right are defined by most historians. Most of them label Hitler as right wing and Lenin as left wing.
So if we can agree that people tend to abuse their power, why do you support measures to centralize power? Most of the policies you've voiced support for would involve the exact kind of power consolidation that makes abuse easy.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
It's also relative. On a global level, Bush was definitely on the Left. By Western standards, he was more of a Centrist because he supported many policies which kept power concentrated. But that's because Western Civilization as a whole is left-wing, so the standards are different.
And Bush supported the Electoral College and money in politics. So he wasn't really as pro-democracy as most Western Leftists.
But that doesn't really make any sense. Lenin is considered on the Left because he was supposedly a Communist, but he didn't actually try to create a communist society.
A lot of the Fashies here claim the Nazis were also on the Left because they were Socialists. But in practice, the Nazis didn't have collective ownership or a ban on private property. I'd say that the Nazis were on the Right, but the Bolsheviks were even further Right because they had State Capitalism.
Which policies? How does taxing the rich at higher rates and using that money to lift up the poor actually make the rich stronger?
Our system is a republic, not a democracy, so you're in the wrong country if you want to live in a democracy.
You're free to believe that about the Bolsheviks, but you'll find very few historians or economists that will agree with you.
And how exactly are you going to tax the rich more without them either moving their money to other locations or them just moving elsewhere? The UK tried the route of taxing the hell out of their rich in the 70s, and a lot of them left. Even many of the wealthy in the Nordic countries just hide some of their wealth in the Netherlands.
So, when even the most left-leaning countries of the West can only tax so much from the wealthy, what makes you think it will work here? The policy even in the most socialist leaning Western countries is not just to tax the wealthy more, but everyone more. That's the only realistic way to better fund public amenities, but the Democrats don't seem keen on actually telling the truth about that. It's probably because they know that the average American would not support higher taxes on themselves.
But this is beside the point anyway. All of the schemes for more government intervention in healthcare and anything else require more power for the government. In order to run these amenities and intervene on more things, more power is mandatory. So, that's the sort of thing I'm talking about.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
Harris is the first chosen to replace the president BEFORE he becomes president........
Pretty much. When Pelosi mentioned the 25th Amendment, she meant Biden. Harris is the perfect pawn of the DNC, because she will do anything for power.
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
It's usually just about helping to carry a particular state or region.
Liar
They are preparing for a Biden and a lame duck, wounded, crazy, desperate Trump
If Biden wins, which is unlikely, the plan has been for Horizontal to be President. The Democrats know that whore couldn't win on her own, therefore, Biden is nothing more than a place holder. All those cognitive issues you lefties claim don't exist will suddenly become a problem shortly after inauguration.
The plan from the beginning for the Democrats was to use Biden to get elected so the Horizontal Whore could reach the office. They knew she couldn't win on her own so they picked Biden as a place holder. All those cognitive issues you lefties say don't exist with him will suddenly show up shortly after the election.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Representative Democracy is a form of Democracy. The reason Republicans claim we're not a Democracy is because they don't want ANY form of Democracy. They want Authoritarianism.
That's just because most scholars don't use political terms correctly. If Socialism is on the Left, which I agree that it is, there's no logical reason to say the Bolsheviks were left-wing unless all that matters is what they called themselves. In which case, North Korea is a Republic.
Throughout American history, the rich have always threatened to leave when their taxes were raised or they had to deal with a new regulation. They never actually do. And keep in mind, the rich used to pay way more in taxes. There was no max exodus when the rich paid a 90% tax rate, there was just a lot of bitching.
And sure, there will be people hiding their money in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland. But they're doing that now too. Greedy narcissists will always do that no matter how much the tax rate is. But if the 1% is less powerful, it will be much harder for them to get away with it.
See how Bernie's plan would have taxes us more, but also would have saved us more money overall? That's basically what it's like in Europe. And he was honest about that, he never denied that taxes would go up. He just made sure people understood why that would still be better for the working-class than what we have now.
But the government wouldn't be running hospitals. European hospitals aren't all nationalized, so why would we have to do that in America?