Putin fears NATO

ExpressLane said:
So you admit Russia is afraid to go up against NATO. Then Finland absolutely should join!
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Correct. Finland already lost territory the first time Russia invaded, and got similar results to what they're doing now. NATO must completely surround Russia to prevent future acts of aggression, and war crimes.

Putin will be dead soon, but it seems his replacement is a similar hard line zealot.
 
Althea said:
Some accounts show that they're afraid to give him bad news for fear of poisoning, prison, or both. Not sure how they do things in Putin's Russia, but normally generals and strategists craft military actions. I'm thinking those groups were afraid to question Putin's desire to plod forward in a way that they knew would not work?
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We may never know. The state of their equipment though is bizarre. How do they hide that from Dear Leader?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
We may never know. The state of their equipment though is bizarre. How do they hide that from Dear Leader?
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It didn't matter previously. Putin launched mini attacks across the region against victims that were not able to stand up to him.

He bit off more than he can chew this time.
 
Althea said:
He promised we'd be out of Afg. by May '21. Biden withdrew after that date, but the terms of trump's surrender only protected our troops from Taliban attacks until May.

Do you believe we should still be there, and if so why?
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I believe were should have kept Bagram Airbase. It was easily defensible and would have protected American contractors working on Afghan aircraft. Afghan aircover would have prevented the collapse of the ADF.

Trump predicated our withdrawal on The Taliban not attacking and they violated that agreement.

No, Trump Didn’t Force Biden’s Withdrawal
The Taliban violated the Doha agreement, so the U.S. could have stayed.
 
ExpressLane said:
I believe were should have kept Bagram Airbase. It was easily defensible and would have protected American contractors working on Afghan aircraft. Afghan aircover would have prevented the collapse of the ADF.

Trump predicated our withdrawal on The Taliban not attacking and they violated that agreement.
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How many years of military experience have you had?
 
anatta said:
pure fantasy. That would be going up against NATO
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That is why Estonia, Lithuania, Lativia joined NATO, and why Ukraine and Georgia aspire to --> to deter Kremlin imperialism.

And it looks like those countries have a perfectly valid reason for fearing Russian imperialism.
 
Althea said:
Correct. Finland already lost territory the first time Russia invaded, and got similar results to what they're doing now. NATO must completely surround Russia to prevent future acts of aggression, and war crimes.

Putin will be dead soon, but it seems his replacement is a similar hard line zealot.
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Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, and Georgia need to be fast tracked as NATO members as soon as they meet the qualifications.
 
ExpressLane said:
I believe were should have kept Bagram Airbase. It was easily defensible and would have protected American contractors working on Afghan aircraft. Afghan aircover would have prevented the collapse of the ADF.

Trump predicated our withdrawal on The Taliban not attacking and they violated that agreement.

No, Trump Didn’t Force Biden’s Withdrawal
The Taliban violated the Doha agreement, so the U.S. could have stayed.
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I am glad we are out of that country.

The Afghan National Army obviously only existed on paper. They were riddled with Taliban sympathizers and corruption, and they evaporated in about a week rather than stand and fight.

I don't believe in defending people who aren't interested in defending themselves.I will take one platoon of Ukranian soldiers instead of a brigade of the erstwhile Afghan National Army.
 
Cypress said:
I am glad we are out of that country.

The Afghan National Army obviously only existed on paper. They were riddled with Taliban sympathizers and corruption, and they evaporated in about a week rather than stand and fight.

I don't believe in defending people who aren't interested in defending themselves.I will take one platoon of Ukranian soldiers instead of a brigade of the erstwhile Afghan National Army.
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So Biden was out of his mind for placing faith in them.
 
ExpressLane said:
So Biden was out of his mind for placing faith in them.
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Biden inherited the Afghan Army Trump trained and armed

Trump had four years to train and arm the Afghan army.

It sounds like Trump did a terrible job.


But I notice you didn't disagree with me that defending people who aren't willing to defend themselves is a futile policy objective.
 
Cypress said:
Biden inherited the Afghan Army Trump trained and armed

Trump had four years to train and arm the Afghan army.

It sounds like Trump did a terrible job.


But I notice you didn't disagree with me that defending people who aren't willing to defend themselves is a futile policy objective.
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So Biden should have said the deal is off because Trump didn't train the Afghans but he instead said Afghanistan wouldn't fall. Sounds like Joe didn't do his job. And are you also giving Obama a free ride?
 
Putin still has the Soviet Era belief that NATO is an offensive military threat even though historical evidence is absolutely contrary to this belief.
 
ExpressLane said:
So Biden should have said the deal is off because Trump didn't train the Afghans but he instead said Afghanistan wouldn't fall. Sounds like Joe didn't do his job. And are you also giving Obama a free ride?
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So you think the US military should commit decades of military resources to people who don't even want to defend themselves, and were in many cases actually collaborating with the Taliban?
 
Phantasmal said:
Absolutely none, it’s why I don’t play armchair general, Trump negotiated for a complete withdrawal, staying at the base would mean we were still at war with Afghanistan.
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Then why are you trying to be critical of me. :laugh:



WASHINGTON — Top military leaders said Tuesday that they had recommended to President Joe Biden that the U.S. keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan even after the Aug. 31 withdrawal deadline, contradicting the president's assertion last month that his advisers did not tell him to leave a small military presence in the country.
 
Cypress said:
So you think the US military should commit decades of military resources to people who don't even want to defend themselves, and were in many cases actually collaborating with the Taliban?
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I think Bagram had enough strategic value that we should have kept it. Its close to China and Russia both.
 
ExpressLane said:
I think Bagram had enough strategic value that we should have kept it. Its close to China and Russia both.
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The smart move was getting out of Afghanistan.

It is a policy failure to commit our country to decades of defending people who don't want to defend themselves.

Holding a airbase by military force in central Asia against a hostile population for decades to come is about as stupid a policy as one could dream up.
 
Cypress said:
The smart move was getting out of Afghanistan.

It is a policy failure to commit our country to decades of defending people who don't want to defend themselves.

Holding a airbase by military force in central Asia against a hostile population for decades to come is about as stupid a policy as one could dream up.
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Its a very defensible base specially when you control the sky. And if you helped Afghanistan keep its air superiority their army probably wouldn't have collapsed.
 
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