What is socialism?

montgomery said:
I'm completely o.k. with that kind of insults from you. In fact I encourage it! Now I think I'll ignore you until you're able to come up with something more interesting.
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You are, without a doubt, the dumbest motherfucker I've seen here and that's saying something. Enjoy your crown you little bitch.
 
montgomery said:
I know! You've sold out to the American way and your explanation is exactly what I would expect.

I don't know about you personally so I only suspect, but I know the statistics overall about ordinary Americans and so there's nothing you can say that will fool me on that. If you think you're not being screwed by the American way system of bullshit then good for you. I'm sure that if you had a closer look at the socially responsible capitalist countries of the world you would feel guilt and feel like an unworthy American who doesn't appreciate his country/freedom/and other bullshit scams. And then hair would start sprouting on the palms of your hands!

I can't help those who refuse to be helped. Luv from Canada.
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Have you been taking social science courses again? If you know statistics that automatically means you know what you are talking about. I have been to your country--it is very nice. But the same people who are screwing Americans are screwing Canadians---the need to think you are being screwed--to meet your need to express anger to those keeping you down. You would be rich, famous, and happy if not for those evil forces controlling your life.
 
kudzu said:
Well, if one doesn't agree to follow the rules I think one would have to live as a hermit off grid. Libertarians are such flakes.
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I don't know any libertarians who live off the grid. Those people are more likely to be hermit conspiracy theory types.
 
Flash said:
Have you been taking social science courses again? If you know statistics that automatically means you know what you are talking about. I have been to your country--it is very nice. But the same people who are screwing Americans are screwing Canadians---the need to think you are being screwed--to meet your need to express anger to those keeping you down. You would be rich, famous, and happy if not for those evil forces controlling your life.
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I know the same evil forces are at work in Canada too, but they haven't achieved much success yet.

I am pretty rich, I'm happy, but I'm not famous. Maybe it would help if you had a look at the world's happiest countries?

https://www.google.ca/search?q=worl...9i60l2j0l3.24922j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Leave your feelings of patriotism for when you're talking to your fellow Americans. You're being fukked and you probably already know that. How much Canada is being fukked in the same way is a matter of concern for me, not you.
 
montgomery said:
I know the same evil forces are at work in Canada too, but they haven't achieved much success yet.

I am pretty rich, I'm happy, but I'm not famous. Maybe it would help if you had a look at the world's happiest countries?

https://www.google.ca/search?q=worl...9i60l2j0l3.24922j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Leave your feelings of patriotism for when you're talking to your fellow Americans. You're being fukked and you probably already know that. How much Canada is being fukked in the same way is a matter of concern for me, not you.
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I expressed no feelings of patriotism and recognize many faults in the U. S.; however, those who pretend they are better are as deluded as those who think the U. S. is the "best."

Your list of the world's happiest countries show Finland is the happiest but its level of alcohol consumption per capita (#16) vs. the U. S. (#48) and its suicide rate raises questions about whether higher income and life expectancy are really making people happy.

People who are busy trying to improve their lives don't have time to blame people for screwing them over just because Populists are trying to impose that outdated ideology on them.
 
Deplorable said:
Don't talk to me about opinions. You are the one who is making an argument that government = socialism yet posted a definition of socialism that didn't mention government at all.
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(quote Robo, dictionary.com) Socialism:. "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

Then you deny that "the community as a whole" is NOT GOVERNMENT of, by and for the people, right? You also in that denial mode deny that the governing body, community as a whole DOES NOT control the means of production and distribution by way of taxation and regulation, also, correct?

If community as a whole isn't government by definition, what is GOVERNMENT in America the nation "GOVERNED" of, by and for the people. Is "We The People" a bleeping lie?
 
Flash said:
If government is socialist by definition that makes all governments socialist. Socialism is an economic system that can be part of any type of governmental system. Socialism deals with the production and distribution of goods and services which are not produced by governments in capitalistic systems.

Socialism is when the government runs ship building, electricity, car manufacturers, oil companies, refineries, banks, steel mills, etc. How many of these businesses are run by government determines the degree of socialism in that nation.
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The government DOES run everything, just refuse to pay your taxes and or violate a government regulation and you'll soon find out WHO owns the means of production and distribution. All and every government is some degree of socialism by definition!
 
Robo said:
(quote Robo, dictionary.com) Socialism:. "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

Then you deny that "the community as a whole" is NOT GOVERNMENT of, by and for the people, right? You also in that denial mode deny that the governing body, community as a whole DOES NOT control the means of production and distribution by way of taxation and regulation, also, correct?

If community as a whole isn't government by definition, what is GOVERNMENT in America the nation "GOVERNED" of, by and for the people. Is "We The People" a bleeping lie?
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You're right, I have denied that and you have not been able to counter my argument.

PROTIP: when using material from the Internet to support your argument it's a good idea to make sure it supports your argument.

If you were even close to a mainstream opinion it should not have been difficult to find a definition that mentioned government.
 
Why is it so hard for youalls to understand the concept of socially responsible government in which government runs programs such as health care because government can do it much better and a lot more cost effective?

Universal health care is the proof and the door has been opened in the US now. The acceptance of pre-existing conditions by the right is the foot in the door. Yet ignorant people like Deplorable still resist. On some principle?

CFM doesn't hesitate to say that it's all about his racism. Is deplorable one too who is still in the closet?
 
Robo said:
The government DOES run everything, just refuse to pay your taxes and or violate a government regulation and you'll soon find out WHO owns the means of production and distribution. All and every government is some degree of socialism by definition!
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Taxes, regulations, and enforcing laws are functions of government--not the production and distribution of goods and services such as manufacturing your cell phone, TV, computer, vehicle, planes, ships, and providing your food, restaurants, and entertainment. Capitalistic enterprises must obey government laws and regulations, but they still provide our goods and services--not government except in socialist nations.
 
Robo said:
The government DOES run everything, just refuse to pay your taxes and or violate a government regulation and you'll soon find out WHO owns the means of production and distribution. All and every government is some degree of socialism by definition!
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The corporate state manages their own socialism having purchased your representatives. Relax, Amazon, Trump, GE, they don't pay their taxes as a matter of course. You? Yeah, you better.
 
montgomery said:
Why is it so hard for youalls to understand the concept of socially responsible government in which government runs programs such as health care because government can do it much better and a lot more cost effective?

Universal health care is the proof and the door has been opened in the US now. The acceptance of pre-existing conditions by the right is the foot in the door. Yet ignorant people like Deplorable still resist. On some principle?

CFM doesn't hesitate to say that it's all about his racism. Is deplorable one too who is still in the closet?
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We don't believe in socially responsible govt in america. We don't believe in social responsibility at all. America is about colonizing anyone you can get over on. And Jesus.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
The corporate state manages their own socialism having purchased your representatives. Relax, Amazon, Trump, GE, they don't pay their taxes as a matter of course. You? Yeah, you better.
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You do know that GE has about 100 companies world wide since early in the last century.. Why do you think they don't pay their taxes?
 
kudzu said:
You do know that GE has about 100 companies world wide since early in the last century.. Why do you think they don't pay their taxes?
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This much is certain: As the New York Times and others have well documented, GE has employed a number of aggressive (and legal) strategies that have greatly reduced the company’s corporate tax burden.
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https://www.factcheck.org/2012/04/warren-ge-pays-no-taxes/

They skate love, socialism is for the aristocracy.
 
Deplorable said:
You're right, I have denied that and you have not been able to counter my argument.

PROTIP: when using material from the Internet to support your argument it's a good idea to make sure it supports your argument.

If you were even close to a mainstream opinion it should not have been difficult to find a definition that mentioned government.
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I thank you for your participation in this discussion, it's been interesting. Now that you've admitted you're in a state of denial and unwilling to offer up any evidence in support of your denial, I find the discussion no longer interesting or worthwhile. Thanks again!
 
montgomery said:
Why is it so hard for youalls to understand the concept of socially responsible government in which government runs programs such as health care because government can do it much better and a lot more cost effective?

Universal health care is the proof and the door has been opened in the US now. The acceptance of pre-existing conditions by the right is the foot in the door. Yet ignorant people like Deplorable still resist. On some principle?

CFM doesn't hesitate to say that it's all about his racism. Is deplorable one too who is still in the closet?
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Since you're such an inspired fan of socialist, single payer, universal healthcare, why don't you promote and lobby for your own state to institute it in your state, instead of promoting it to be the instituted unconstitutional disaster for the entire nation to suffer? Just think, it could be the shining model for every other state in the nation if it's all you believe it is and it would also be constitutional for any state to institute. (see amendment 10). Oh wait! a couple of states have already studied that possibility and discovered they couldn't afford it, huh? Well I suppose that leads you to believe that a bloated incompetent federal corrupt government could handle it, right?
 
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